Zebra Octopus For Sale In The Bay Area (a good thing?)

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Colin

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Thales, I'd say now that you have it, to publish your observations and pictures etc so that people can see these animals and what they are like to keep.

What set up have you gone for? Have you tried using a deep layer of sand?

I for one would like to hear more about how it does in captivity and TONMO.com is the ideal place to do that. Most potential cephalopod keepers who visit here are doing so to learn more about the hobby before they jump in, so that can only be a good thing? I don't think we should glamorise them though.

I already put off one local wholesaler just last week from importing 'zebras'. Personally, I wouldn't buy one.

A good point, which is VERY relevant right now is the case of a species of small aquarium fish Microrasbora sp. galaxy. It was only discovered and first exported in August 2006 and has yet to be formally described.

At the start of February 2007 it transpires that the water body where the fish was found has been trashed and totally over fished to the point where it seems that its habitat has been totally destroyed!!! And that all in the space of a few months, so great was public demand!!!

Do a Google search on galaxy rasbora and click the first link which is to the practical fishkeeping website...

Next point is that I snapped up 26 of them.

However, they can be captive bred and already I am getting signs of spawning behaviour. In the not so distant future I will be able to supply local shops with CB stock just like what I am doing just now with Betta species such as renata (first documented captive breeding).

I justified buying them because I have them in a species only tank and I know I will be breeding them soon. Better me buying them than someone who buys a pair and sticks them in a community tank?

Which brings me to the sticky points about wunderpus & mimics. What's the point in keeping them? Or more specifically, keeping just one? They can't be bred and more importantly just dont seem to be kept alive for very long.

Dont let this be the next galaxy rasbora!
 

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Keeping my nose out of this one, I think you all know my viewpoints on keeping some cephs in captivity.

And, I'd like to stay a member! :smile:
 

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cthulhu77;88280 said:
Keeping my nose out of this one, I think you all know my viewpoints on keeping some cephs in captivity.

And, I'd like to stay a member! :smile:

Greg - I think it would be helpful for anyone browsing for info about these animals if you summarized your thoughts here. :smile: And, I think we can have a nice discussion! If you feel the need we can take swings at each other in Florida. :whalevsa:
 

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Thales;88288 said:
If you feel the need we can take swings at each other in Florida. :whalevsa:

Fine by me. :smile:

I horribly disagree with buying, keeping, supporting the capture, etc. of these animals...it is the reason that I left the pet industry over a decade ago, and continue to despise it.
 

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Colin;88276 said:
Which brings me to the sticky points about wunderpus & mimics. What's the point in keeping them? Or more specifically, keeping just one? They can't be bred and more importantly just dont seem to be kept alive for very long.

Dont let this be the next galaxy rasbora!

Wow. I just read up on the galaxy rasbora - amazing that they sold for only 5-8 pounds each. At least 'zebra' occys aren't that cheap and therefore won't often be dumped into community tanks.

That is indeed the sticky point regarding almost any animal - is wanting to keep it in your house because it gives you pleasure really a good enough reason to collect them? I don't know. I guess my point in scooping up the wonderpus is because I believe I can give it a better life than it will get if a random person from an LFS picks it up, and possibly learn enough about it to take a crack at breeding them.
 

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Until research can find out what the population mass is like, captive breeding is not going to help the wild one's at all. I have witnessed the virtual extinction of animals collected for the pet trade, and have heard all of the "I'm helping it out" lines before.

If no one buys them, no one will collect them. Once you purchase it, you have probably condemned 3 or more wild ones to death by capture.

It is a vicious circle.

IF the wild populations are as stable as say, the little brown octopus, or the bimac, then captive breeding would be fine...but what if they wipe out the wild stuff in a year or so? Then what will your reasoning be?
Sure worked out well for the Tasmanian Tiger, didn't it?
 

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My reasoning is a little different than 'I'm helping it out'.
I have heard all the 'don't buy them and they won't be collected any more' reasoning before, and it doesn't work - the animals get collected for the people who will buy them. Legislation seems to be the only thing that actually makes a difference, and even then the will be collected, but a least there is some recourse and punishment if the law bothers to act.
I wish it were different.
I think if we actually care about stemming the collection of these animals, legislation is a more useful and practical place to spend our energy.
 

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Case in point:

The Hog Isle Boa. Brought in huge numbers in the 80's to satisfy the pet trade, the snake went from a sale price of over 1,000 $ to less than 20 bucks within a year.
It wasn't worth collecting them at 20 bucks, and they weren't selling, so the wild caught animals were left alone. Unfortunately, the population had been so traumatized by the overcollection, that it will never recover, and the animal is expected to go extinct outside of captivity.

I guess that is great for those boa breeders out there, but it sure sucks for the snake as an animal, doesn't it?

http://www.centralpets.com/animals/reptiles/snakes/snk2756.html


If you don't buy them, they won't sell them. The retailers can't afford to lose that much money.
 
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