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Animal Mother;101057 said:
Yeah I knew it was you :smile: I would never have known you were a teenager though, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way.

I would say Seahorses aren't easy, but they are definitely easier than octos.


I hope that a compliment?

Anyways, it seems to me that octos just require lots of research and a perfect setup. Seahorses need that plus specific feeding 3 times a day.
I'd rather do octopi than seahorses anyday.
 

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i'd say seahorses are harder. hey i got an idea

you guys send me 300 bucks through paypal and i'll go right to the LFS tomorrow =D

haha, jk....unelss oyu want to >_>

i'm gonna have to start ot with a 100 dollar skimmer. i can always work my way up.
 
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Okay, well in my experience (we keep Erectus) Seahorses are much easier to accomodate, but yes, perhaps after an octopus is acclimated and eating it is easier to maintain.
 
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So what's the plan? Getting a seahorse tank then saving for octi?
Here's what I think, we're both 14 and we have only 4 more years to college. I wanted to get a shark tank, I could have the funds, but I decided by the time I got it I'd only have 2 years with it. Plus that means I'd have to sell my reef. Plus I want a nice car when I'm 17-18. Just some food for thought. :biggrin2:
 

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my parents will by my car. and i have always wanted a shark tank to. but i decided to wait till i had my own house to by a large pool for.... >_>


and if i do get an apartment sometime, i can always either see if i can move my stuff there or something. there is no way in hell i'm getting rid of all my hard work and all my pets to go to colledge.

(to be a marine biologist/zooligist, go figure)
 
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Ya I'm getting a free car too.(Truck actualy) but I want to get a Honda del Sol and give it a sweet paint job, and a nice sterio, new engine, new customized seats, basicly a 10,000$ project. Which the shark tank would be 5000$ so I'm just going to wait for the sharks and octopus tank till I get a house of my own.
 
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Charger21_SD;101103 said:
Ya I'm getting a free car too.(Truck actualy) but I want to get a Honda del Sol and give it a sweet paint job, and a nice sterio, new engine, new customized seats, basicly a 10,000$ project. Which the shark tank would be 5000$ so I'm just going to wait for the sharks and octopus tank till I get a house of my own.

Good move, by then there might even be advances in the hobby that allow for even easier or at least cheaper equipment setups.

My comment to you earlier was absolutely a compliment. I've read a lot of your posts on SWF and you come across as being very mature for your age. I wish I'd had that mindset 14 years ago.
 

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I have to agree with Animal Mother that Seahorses are hairdier then most people give them credit if you put them in the proper environment [which is not that hard].
Although my octo experience is short.
EDIT* BTW Im 15.
 
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Animal Mother;101104 said:
Good move, by then there might even be advances in the hobby that allow for even easier or at least cheaper equipment setups.

My comment to you earlier was absolutely a compliment. I've read a lot of your posts on SWF and you come across as being very mature for your age. I wish I'd had that mindset 14 years ago.

Thank you soo much. That is quite a compliment.

Fishfreak, good to see another teenage reefer.

I think, if my mom will let me, sticking with the truck and maybe building a pond in my mom's garage. Maybe......I'm going to talk with my mom of course, and talk to some guys that are good friends of mine that know a lot about sharks.
 

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and to think, i used to thinki was one of the few amount of young saltwater hobbyists...

and yeah by the time we both have sharks i bet a protien skimmer would be 20 bucks, haha. at the speed of things these days, some of the sutff we would buy today for a shark tank may be completely outdated.

10 or so years ago it was pretty much impossible to keep seahorses...i think, i fi got my years right



so....BIG NEWS

my parents decided to buy me some things

seaclone 100 protien skimmer
55 gallon tank

heater and filter (wich i'll not use probably on this tank, came with 55 gal)

tank hood+lighting, flaurescent (spelled wrong) i think is what it is

salt, enough to do a 1.026 salinity

some arganite or however you spell it sand. not enough though, i'll have to get more

no octopus of course. i plan on letting the tank mature a couple months or so before looking for one.

whats the prices generally on baby bimacs?

gonna prepare the tank and get itcycling tomorrow!

(will get pics of my stuff soon)
 

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Depends.. I have seen some octos for like $25 - $30 but they were large so I passed on them. Then I found this baby bimac at another LFS for $80... I bought him. If you can find a really small one I would buy it over the cheaper, larger, octopus.
 

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yeah i want to get a baby so i can have it longer.

would the baby octo eat ghost shrimp? (the small clear freshwater shrimp)

and will larger ones eat freshwater clams?

and just to make sure, i can use cut up fish and shrimp thats already dead?

the shrimp and clams could e like a weekly treat or something maby.
 

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Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest two things...
1.) you wait and save up alot of money for your octopus [and i mean alot of money]
OR
2.) you dont get an octo

Here is the reason:
1.) freshwater ghost shrimp/clams are NOT a suitable diet... they are most readily available and cheap though. The octo probably wont live a normal/healthy/long life if you are feeding him on freshwater animals
2.) Not all octo's eat cut up fish and shrimp [frozen fish/shrimp that you defrost]. So, lets just say your octo refuses to even look at ANYTHING dead, then you are stuck with feeding freshwater animals because thats what is available to you. So now you will have to order SW/Brackish water crabs/shrimp which [after shipping] will get VERY expensive.
3.)An alternative would be to go collecting yourself for crabs and shrimp at a local beach but that will, obviously, only work if you are near some sort of beach. You also risk the possibility of the crabs/shrimp coming from a dirty environment thus poisoning your octo.
Just some things to think about...
 
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You might get lucky and have an octopus that accepts thawed raw shrimp and silversides, but don't count on that. Go to www.aquaculturestore.com and look at the available saltwater feeder shrimp and fiddler crabs. Calculate the cost of purchasing them over the course of a year or maybe a year and a half. This is what it's going to cost to feed an octopus, unless, as stated, you get lucky and find one that eats thawed dead foods.
 

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tad harsh fish freak

if it doesn't except thawed then i'll get live, not that big of a deal. and on the guide on this very website it said that babies like ghost shrimp.

it also said they eat clams as well.

thats why i asked. and tons of places online said they feed theres freshwater clams. and there octos are healthy.
 

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how long do ineed to let the tank sit there? i read anywhere from a month to three months. how long should i wait?
 

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sindas;101250 said:
tad harsh fish freak

if it doesn't except thawed then i'll get live, not that big of a deal. and on the guide on this very website it said that babies like ghost shrimp.

it also said they eat clams as well.

thats why i asked. and tons of places online said they feed theres freshwater clams. and there octos are healthy.

I don't think FishFreak meant to be harsh, but he is right-- we definitely don't recommend a diet of mostly freshwater animals. Jean (who raises cephs professionally) is particularly vocal about pointing out that freshwater animals don't have the proper balance of nutrients for cephalopods, although they're happy to eat them, so it's OK to give them as a treat, but if they're the bulk of the animal's diet, it's likely to be malnourished.

There are also salt water ghost shrimp, which may be what was meant, although there have been octos who survived on freshwater animals; it's not "instant death," it just seems from reports of octos over years that those fed saltwater food are overall healthier. However, if you remember which guide mentions ghost shrimp, we may want to clarify that.

A lot of the recommendations here are "best practices" that are conclusions from people with a lot of experience in octo keeping. I tend to think that the collected wisdom here is usually better than the largely anecdotal octo keeping reports on other sites, not just because I like it here, but because we often see links to "some guy says he kept an octo and..." or "the LFS that sold me the octo said..." but when people try to repeat these experiments, they often come back and say "my octo is dying/dead, what's wrong?"

edit: It looks like the bimac care sheet says "Young octos may be given ghost shrimp, which are easier for them to catch than shore shrimp but are not suitable for long-term use."

I think that's about accurate, in that if you're trying to get the octo to eat something, or ghost shrimp are all you have, it doesn't hurt them to eat ghost shrimp, they just won't be healthy if that's the main staple of their diets... that's why they're "not suitable for long-term use."
 
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Please wait the three months that is recommended on this site. It gives the tank a chance to stabilize. Also, if you wait three months, the bacteria needed to break down waste will multiply in your system.

As for the food supply, every octopus is an individual, so you should have a variety of food (both frozen and live) on hand before you purchase your octopus. That way you can figure out what your octopus likes the best and then purchase the food as needed. Aquaculturestore.com is a reliable source for live food. Octopus will be healthier eating food from the ocean, rather than freshwater food.
 
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