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of course i go out of town for a week and someone else watches the octo only for my return to be upsetting... the tank has nitrates through the roof and the octo is not eating... just sits there for the most part then will panic a little and swim around... did a big water change and waiting for the results but meanwhile are there any other suggestions? he doesnt look to happy pushes food away and is kinda holding his sleeping colors and spreads out alot in front of his den. so upset. hope the water change will make him happier! also it looks like he may have nipped at one tenticle at some point cause the end of it is a slight nub... hope its not the dreaded "A" word! please dont let it be that. anyway anymore suggestions would be nice like if i should sing to it or something
 

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A major water change is the best thing to do - by major, what do you mean? I think Carol does up to 50%

Is it only the nitrates, or do you have high nitrites and ammonia? How high are the nitrates? Octos can tolerate higher nitrates, but it could affect eating. Test your water again now that you've done a water change and see what the reading are. Also, are pH and sg OK?

You know,we haven't discussed this much, but it's possible octos suffer stress when their owner goes away, especially if you play with him a lot. My bimac would sulk if I went away for a day since I was there so much of the time. I eventually did not leave her alone for more than 1/2 day. I have heard reports of this, but of course, we don't know for sure.

Hope Kashmir's OK - after all those pics, I feel I know him.

Nancy
 
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well this morning hes still alive but just sitting on the front of the tank... i did 20 gallon change last night due to a lack of ro water and about to do another 30 which will be over a 50% change hopefully he'll cheer up some more. last night he perked up a little bit and moved around while i was doing the change like he new what i was doing and he was getting excited.
 

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If you remember, Gimpy used to get my attention when there was an ammonia spike. I did over 50 percent and changed the carbon. This seemed to perk him up almost immediately. Have you checked the ammonia? Keeping fingers crossed for you and Kashmir!

Carol
 
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yeah the ammonia and nitrates and everyother thing was off so ive done a 40 gallon change on a 75 system and im waiting for the results good idea on the carbon i need to pull mine out...
 
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oh yeah i think i know what happened though... i talked to the feeder at the charleston aquarium the other night and when she goes out of town the octos there throw tempertantrums and purposly mess up the water to try and get attention from her. i think that kash did the same thing because everything was fine with the water and all untill friday and then he decided he'd let the food that he was given rot and started to dig up the substrate messing everying up and clogging overflows causing the nitrates and ammonia to skyrocket... bet he feels stupid now huh? oh well at least he missed me
 
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That is really really interesting! I would have had no idea that an octopus would be capable of such...feelings! Man, I just got to get me one of these! Has anyone else had similar experiences? For comparison: I know that thoroughbreds (hot-blooded horses) can lose up to 10 pounds an hour from pacing and sweating if they're left alone and no human that they are familiar with is around! Amazing creatures (both octopus and horses, though for obvious reasons I'm not a big fan of thoroughbreds).

Cheers!
 
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main_board said:
I would have had no idea that an octopus would be capable of such...feelings!

Hi M_B,

It's actually pretty common for an octopus to respond to what's going on outside the tank. OTOH: It's probably not accurate to say that Kashmir refused to eat because it "missed" Joefish. It's more likely that Kashmir either disliked or distrusted the substitute for reasons that we will never understand.

A couple of years ago I visited the (now defunct) Poulsbo Marine Science Center in Poulsbo WA. While I was there a volunteer was trying to feed their GPO - and failing. I visited with the guy for 15 minutes or so while he tried to get the octo to eat some squid. I asked if maybe the octo just didn't like dead food but he assured me that this GPO loved dead squid and that the other volunteers that took turns feeding (I think there were three authorized feeders) had no trouble at all feeding the big guy. It was apparently a simple case of dislike at first sight.

We've never had that problem at the Feiro Marine Life Center in Port Angeles, WA, where I volunteer. We exclusively feed live crabs and the GPO never comes to associate the prey with the people. It's a bit like leaving a bowl of dry food out for a cat - when it gets hungry it will go and eat. We try to keep at least one crab in the GPO tank at all times. Sometimes, when a crab is added it doesn't even make it to the bottom of the tank before being grabbed. Other times it might last several hours before its demise. In any case, we never have uneaten food in the tank since the crabs pretty much transition directly from 'live animal' to 'consumed food'.

Conversely, we did have a GPO several years ago that would get very upset if a visitor in red clothing approached the tank. There's a disputed school of thought that, in GPO's at least, red denotes anger or aggression so maybe it was interpreting the red clothing as a rival wanting to fight. The thing is that we get a different GPO every year (occasionally we get more than one), we've been open for 20+ years, and I'm pretty sure that it was just that one GPO that didn't like red.

Maybe it's a case of buying an Octopus vulgaris, O. bimaculoides, or O. joubini and having it transform into O. murphyi upon entering the home tank.

Emotionally yours,

Alex
 

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