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cthulhu77

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You're talking into the wind...these people who import animals could care less about the welfare of the captives, or their wild cousins.
I get so pissed I have to not check in now and again, because things like this keep popping up.

Agreed...frustrating beyond belief.
 

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Well said Roy,

hand on heart I'd leave it in the shop. I have been offered wunderpus several times in the last year. All I do is remind them that they are delicate short-lived animals that are potentially very rare.
 

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Conservation is easy
Dont buy anythning that isnt raised on a "Farm"
no out of the wild animals
I buy from Octopets because thats the only place i can confirm that breeds these cretures for the express purpose of pets.
now
get a wonderpus breeding farm and ill probably shell out another 1200$+ to get teh right equipment and another 200 for the animal it self
until then ferget it
 

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Yes, it would be better to just leave the octo in the shop, as painful as it would be personally. Only if the owner takes a financial hit on the octo, even if delivered by mistake, will he make sure that he never gets another one.

So do you think if the owner simply gives it away, taking the financial loss, it would be wrong to take it? Would we be promoting the trade in these species?

Why would the supplier send this particular species to someone who had ordered a "brown octopus"? Maybe if dealers started identifying species and sold by species name, things would improve as well.

Captive bred is the way to go and I'm hoping other species will eventually be available, like briareus.

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Giving it away is an option, but only if the recipient understands that if she/he makes it public that they are keeping the animal, it will only fuel the desire of some other aquarists to acquire one. I think it better to lead by example and just say "No!".

I do want to say one more thing on this issue so as not to appear hypocritical. I do occasionally acquire and keep rare octopus and stomatopods for study and to provide museum specimens. Some times these come from commercial sources. It is a difficult decision whether taking such an animal for the scientific information that might be gained out weighs the potential harm that encouraging collectors might cause. I don't make such decisions lightly and I do everything possible to ensure that the supplier understands why these animals should not be collected and sold.

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Well for my two cents the LFS guy seems pretty good. He has stated that he wont be getting in any more "Zebras" and it doesnt sound like he wanted it in the first place.

Its all very well to say dont buy them - (which is a good idea). However in this case O'O was rung by the LFS guy who clearly didnt want anything to do with this species.
He could have sold it for $300 or more, but instead asked O'O for help, at a loss to his own pocket.
I dont think this is a typical transaction, and one that (based on what he's said) isnt going to happen again.

From what O'O's said about his track record on keeping nautalis this is the type of LFS person that the world needs more of.


I think the best way to protect this species is to breed them too. Aquacultured octos are far more appealing to everyone, and would probably be the most effective way to stop mimic importing.
 

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There is no question that we would like to see mimics cultured, but they are a small egg species that probably are not likely to be bred any time soon. I know of only one female that has even laid eggs in captivity.

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yeah i totally agree with these posts! and he offered it to me at no cost so i took it because many of customers where wanting to get there hands on it once they saw it and he passed on the info i gave to him to them and he agrees with me so he found that it may have a better home with me for the little remainder of its life but it really does not matter right if its going to die do you think the octo really cares what kind of home hes in no! but it would make a better shot on keeping it around longer even if its a few minuites well this probablly don't make any sence but i see it in a way, and its wrong but what would be better then some random joe that comes in and wants it for all i kno he will stick in a freshwater tank who knows? or put it in a tank that might be pushing the limits but possibly similar i have read many of posts and i know the needs to actually have the thing end up with a chance of survival and i have done what i could to adjust my tank from what i read wether it works or not its all worth a try! and you all know how the public is, they are compulsive buyers and they dont care about anything but apperance so no matter what it is if it looks neat they are willing to pay top dollar for it! so really the only reason i took it is cause i thought it might have a better chance! and i know you guys are probablly fired up but i have said this many of times nothings immpossible! well sorry if this made some anger but i just did to my knolage what i thought was rite!
 

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Well, from what O'O has told me, The lfs guy was offered $400 by a random, and he refused and explained that these animals shouldnt be traded.
Then he GAVE the mimic to O'O!!!

I personally think that the LFS guy is a legend. Definately the best outcome from an unfortunate situation. :biggrin2:
 

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Jean would be able to comment on how hard they are to keep. (Her aquarium has one) :biggrin2:

From my short experience with them they hide in sand all day, and are quite easily sent into shock which will kill them.

I would imagine that they are harder than octos but easier than squids. They are quite small and delicate, I don't imagine they make the best pets.
 

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I think they are active at night. In the day time they bury themselves in the sand with only their eyes exposed.

Here is Jeans one - (this is the same species that I had a brief encounter with)
 

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Feelers is right as a pet bobtails are booooooring........unless you're an insomniac! They just sit around all day buried in the sand....what fun to get aquarium visitors to spot them! :twisted:. That photo was taken just after it was placed in the tank so it was still pretty visible..can't see it at all now, unless you know where to look and even then it's hard to spot!
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We've been a bit off topic here - O.O., now that you have the octo, take as good care of it as possible. I know you plan to do this. You'll have to learn as much as you can about it. This decision must have been stressful for you and the LFS owner, hope not for the octo.

You might want to search on "mimic octopus" and look at Big Red's posts. His mimic turned out to be a wonderpus. He did keep it for at least a month.

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LE me just back up Nancy here and say that now you have the octopus you should carefully note down as many observations as you can about the animal... what it ate, how often, where did it hide, did it bury in sand, did it try to climb out etc etc all these things will be very useful

cheers
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