• Looking to buy a cephalopod? Check out Tomh's Cephs Forum, and this post in particular shares important info about our policies as it relates to responsible ceph-keeping.

Complete newbie requesting help with first octopus setup!

Hm ok, I thought the tips would sting the octopus, thanks for the info. I should wait a bit until I have rocks and such in the tank and the ammonia has settled, but I'll see if I can find somewhere that sells them. My experience so far is you can't have live items shipped, and my local town has very little in saltwater.
 
Ok, well, went out and bought the last needed items today: feeding sticks, stick-on thermometer, lots of salt etc. etc.

The plumbing fix didn't work, so on Wednesday I'm going to Tess, the biggest plumbing chain who will make something custom for it.

I also had an exciting day with regards to finding octopuses, I have now found at least 3 sources who can get octopus on demand within 2-3 weeks, although only one had a species list. All three offered me blue rings initially, although only two generally sell them; two of them advised me not to keep an octopus at all. In any case, they were all willing to source non-blue ring species quickly so that's great news.

However, I also made my first impulse buying mistake (which I really couldn't afford actually, oh well), and now I'm in hot water.... I bought a bubble tip anenome for the clown (knowing that I could attach it to all the live rocks in the tub, that the tub would be big enough, that the water quality was good and that I could easily hook lights and up to it). I know, I'm sorry, it was stupid, I can see impulse buying may be an issue... but, I have it now, so:

It is the first time I acclimated something and I believe I followed the instructions for that to the letter. Everything seemed to go smoothly until I put it with the rocks. Here is what happened in pictures:

Start of acclimation after leaving the bag unopened in the water for 15 minutes: Log in or sign up to view

Towards the end of acclimation: Log in or sign up to view

I then placed him very gently on a rock as follows: Log in or sign up to view

Now he has planted himself in this weird spot: Log in or sign up to view

The last picture is a top-down picture so the side of the container is at the top of the picture. He is lying at a 90 degree angle to what I expected, basically.

He /is/ attached to the rock, but only partly it seems.

Should I worry? I acclimatised in dim lighting and turned the circulation pump off as advised at first to make sure he didn't get sucked in; now he has the 40W lights on him and the pump is running. So I'm not sure if I did anything wrong or not... advice?
 
LOL, I'm sure all of us have a story about an impulse buy. Anemones are fun creatures I enjoy them a lot I have 8 right now, and I just gave 2 away. From the pictures it seems to be fine. They will actually move around until they find a spot they like. Some find a spot fast and will never move again, some take a while to settle in, and some never find a place. I have a little one that moves all over constantly. They can sit in all different directions I have one anemone that sits side ways at a 90 degree angle, one at 45 degree angle, one that is upside down and peeks out from under a ledge. I have three that sit straight, one that lives in a cave, and one that I can't see right now.
 
Ok, that's awesome, thanks :smile: I'm relieved! I did read up on that particular anemone and its requirements before purchase so it wasn't entirely impulse; the issue was I was in Oslo where I don't get to go often, and it's really the only place to buy saltwater stuff and bring it home that's within any kind of driving range - my ability to get there depends entirely on Thomas's busy schedule. Anyway, I didn't know whether the colours on the underside were a sign of injury or something, so it's good that it looks ok to you.

It has actually started crawling down the side of that rock now so less of the base is visible, and I have realised it may be aiming itself at the more powerful light nearby on the fish and corals; I shall turn that off now for the night and see if it moves.

Conditions in container:

Temperature - 24.5C
SG - 1.022
pH - 8.3
Ammonia - 0
Nitrite - between 0 and 0.01ppm (can't read the chart)
Nitrate - between 2 and 5ppm (again, can't read the chart)
 
Anemones are photosynthetic so love the light. You will want to give it 12 hours if you can BUT they don't love excessive heat (and I am struggling with a couple of mine without the AC). Yes, you should have waited until you had the clown in a tank AND yes, it is likely that anyone who has kept a saltwater aquarium has done something similar. It often takes a week or so before some corals comfortably acclimate so keep up (or step up) the water changes, watch the temp (you forgot the fan) and give it enough lighting to feed the internal algae. Starting with a flower anemone might have been a better idea for hartiness and SOMETIMES some clowns will host them but there are no hosting fish in the Caribbean where the ones I have are found so the match up is not ideal.
 
I know, it was irresponsible and I feel a bit guilty now for bringing it home, but having said that turning off George's light did the trick, it is now sitting happily on top of a rock near the light I provided for it, with none of its base showing. Thanks for the tip on the light cycle, I was going to ask that. 12 hours is no problem.

The reason I picked the bubble tip is because I read it is the natural host anemone for the maroon clownfish, so I wanted to be sure it was compatible. I can easily put the clown in with the anemone if you think it's a good idea - the tub is 90 liters - I didn't do so now because I thought it might stress him. Should I put him in there?

Oh, I didn't forget the fan - I ran out of money lol... which serves me right for not waiting.
 
Are you planning on keeping George in the large tank once it is safe? You have talked about setting up a separate tank and I am unclearn on the timing. I am not sure what the best choice is with your temporary setup. Hosting fish and the host have to kind of agree that they want to cooperate and it might be best to wait and put them together in a more permenant environment. Keep in mind that removing an anemone from a rock is not alway easy so to move it may require including the rock.
 
Here are some thoughts about some of the issues I just read about when catching up on this thread:

Custom plumbing?
In case you plan to spend a lot of money having someone build you something custom, remember that 1" heavy duty (schedule 80) bulkheads will fit nicely into 2" holes like you have, and are available on the internet. The DIY (Do-It-Yourself) forums (like on nano-reef.com) are filled with examples of 1" overflows that you can put together very cheaply. For example, look at the diagram in THIS THREAD. In addition to a bulkhead, it uses a PVC T fitting, an end cap, and a couple 5 cm (or so) lengths of PVC pipe. You would only need to run PVC pipe down into your filter sock, or attach a PVC to hose-bar adapter fitting (also available on the internet) and run flexible vinyl tubing down to your filter sock.

Broken thermometer:
Those aren't mercury beads in the thermometer, they are steel, and are only in there for weight (mercury, although metal, is a liquid (like the bad terminator inTerminator II)). You broke an alcohol thermometer, and unless you broke the tall thin part on the inside that holds (held?) the red liquid, you only broke the housing. The little steel balls will rust in salt water, but it sounds like you got them all out. If not, a tiny bit of rust isn't a problem (is it?)

Refugium:
The bacteria on your live rock convert ammonia (animal waste) to nitrite and then to nitrate. Some of the nitrate will be converted to nitrogen gas by your live rock, but most of it will just build up in your water until you remove it. You can remove it by doing water changes (which you should do anyway), and by a few other means. The primary purpose of a refugium is to move the nitrate that builds up in your water into the tissue of live plants. You then trim, and discard, which finally removes the nitrate from your system. Nitrogen (nitrate) is a fertilizer, which "macro algae" (plants) will take from the water and use to grow. You need to read all about refugiums to get the big picture, but the short version is that you provide light, a slow flow of water, and few starter plants, and as they grow, they will remove nitrate from your water. Then you trim them as needed. A refugium is a good idea, but it's mostly just a way to avoid more frequent water changes, so you can post pone setting up the refugium if you're willing to do the extra water changes.

Size for clown fish tank:
My father in law keeps a maroon clown in a 3 gallon nano tank, so anything larger than 11 liters should be fine. However, as you are learning with your buckets, there are special challenges involved with keeping a nano tank (which is any tank less than about 115 liters). Have you considered just running a little tank (say 20 liters) in series with your large tank? Why set up a totally separate tank when you could simply pump water from your sump up into a small tank, and let it overflow out of the small tank back into the sump (or into your main display tank)? That way, the water quality for your clown fish will be as stable as in your large tank. Small self-contained systems (nano tanks) are much more vulnerable to small changes (a single over feeding, or a single undetected dead animal) than a system with a large water volume. For the ultimate in simplicity, you could just keep your clown fish in a little tank that is submerged 90% submerged in your main tank. You could branch 5% of the flow from your return pump into the clown tank, and let it overflow into the main tank. As long as the octopus can't reach into the clown tank, it should all work. Just a thought.

Fan:
When water evaporates it removes a significant amount of heat (which is why sweating cools you off) so the point of a fan is to cause as much evaporation as possible. So mount it so that it is blowing directly on the surface of the water in your main display tank (or in your buckets. The down side is that all the water that evaporates will leave its salt behind, so the salinity of the water that is left will increase as evaporation increases. You must add RO/DI water (without any salt in it!) to the tank to replace what evaporates, so ideally mark the water level, and just refill up to that mark with fresh RO/DI water every day.

Buying the anemone:
It may not have been a rookie move, it may have been a calculated risk. You have very limited access to fish stores in Oslo, and you seized the opportunity when you had it, knowing that you were taking a chance. But failing to act when a rare opportunity is presented, is also taking a chance. Maybe the rules are different when you live on the edge of the world.


I hope some of that helps.
 
Thank you both, another great and informative post Joe, much appreciated!

Plumbing: using the new and slightly larger gaskets supplied to me today it was very easy to make a leakproof seal on one of the holes. Then the next issue came into play: the guy who drilled them hasn't even centered them properly, by which I mean, the distance between the centre of the two holes is a few mm less than the distance between the centre of the holes on the overflow box. You can center it so that the whole of the overflow box holes fit in the space of the tank holes, but then of course you can't seal it. Since there are two holes and the pipes don't even get close to full even when I have pumped water vigorously into the overflow, I am at this point seriously considering just siliconing a piece of plastic over one of the holes; because I don't see how else it can be done without drilling or replacing the box altogether.

I am now quite angry about this, I didn't realise it was such a problem and it has held me up for over a week now.

The schedule 80 thing was a great idea suggested on reef central (except for the centerising problem above, would it still work?) The trouble is I cannot find 'sch 40' or 'sch 80' items in Norway, I suspect we use a different European system and Googling did not help me figure it out. They do have 'adapters' which go from millimeters to inches and vice versa, see here:

PVC Nippel

but lack of pictures makes me a bit nervous whether they would do the trick. Remember also my pipes are not 1in, they are 32mm, although again I suppose one of the adapters above would work, if centering isn't a problem.

All in all, I'm just rather fed up of the whole plumbing issue. I've been to so many places and read so many things. I spent a while in Bauhaus (huge hardware store where I got the MDF cut) today and they had every plumbing thing imaginable, but no bulkheads and everything was in 32, 40, 45 mm etc. The place I'm going to on Wednesday - Tess - are specialists and if they don't have workable parts, nobody here will, so that will mean importing and waiting even longer, or blocking one of the holes.

...

Thermometer: check, thanks for the heads up :smile:

Refugium: I decided today I will leave it for now just to keep it 'simple' and introduce it later when I have a little more experience. Thanks for the descriptions!

Clown tank: Truly excellent idea, once again it comes down to plumbing and my ability to perform it (also see below my answer to D). I would never have thought of that though, that would definitely be a lot better than a standalone tank.

Anemone: It was at least partly calculated since I had read up before-hand, assessed before going out if I had somewhere to put it with consideration that it should only be for a few days or week or two at most and that the location was ready etc. And yes, any visit to Oslo should be seized upon as an opportunity. I have gone several times lately because Thomas has helped with the aquarium but it is not usually like that, sometimes I may only go 2 or 3 times a year. So, half rookie move, half calculated risk perhaps:P

...

D: My thoughts were to put him and the anemone in the main tank and not worry about the octopus too much now except for not buying things that will harm it. It is obvious to me that some practice runs with something simpler to maintain would be a wise move as there are way too many gaps in my basic knowledge right now. I would still plan for the octopus for October/November once the bioload of the main tank is up to a suitable level, and use some of the time to make sure George will have an alternative home ready in time for when the octopus comes.
 
I would be inclined NOT to put a cornered fish in a tank with an octopus. Easy pickin's at it were. You have seen Paul open his food canister and other on-line examples of extracting food from a container, even placing it somewhat above the waterline will not prevent arm entry. Once an arm is inside, that is all she wrote.

If you do go with what we would call a more traditional bulkhead keep in mind you have to find all the hard tubing from a supplier that will ship internationally. I still think you will have to seal the overflow directly to the tank.
 
Sorry, I meant it was a good idea about taking the water from the main tank as a supply; I would put the clown's tank somewhere else nearby in the room, not in the main tank.

I think you're right as well D, the only thing is, how am I supposed to silicone it if the holes don't even match up properly... just silicone round the edge of the tank holes and press the overflow against it? (I can take a pic if I'm not explaining it well)
 
The holes match up but the holes in the overflow box are smaller right? That is, you can place the box so that the bulkheads will pass through both (must be since you set it up). Neal coated the back of the overflow and then used a clam (the bulkheads will work as a clamp) to keep the box in place until the silicone was dry. You would not use the second set of rubber gaskets if you do it this way. Unless I missed a post (I will look back in a second), you did not say where the connections were leaking or how you have it connected. Symptoms of a leak between the overflow box and the tank wall will show up as water around the bulkhead on the outside of the tank. If it is not leaking around the bulkhead at the back of the tank, then there is a different (or additional) concern.

I DID miss a post. You have two holes in the tank and in the overflow. Both of those should be drains and used if you can manage it. One big reason we standardly put two (and either should be able to handle the pump output) is to prevent any kind of blockage from allowing the tank to overflow (and then we proceed to bring it down to one, larger diameter pipe and ignore the obvious potential defeat of having two overflows :roll:). I have one tank with only 1 drain and a 90 degree elbow, air gets trapped when the pump cuts off and has causes some minor issues (that could be major if the thing did not clear and no one was home). I hate plumbing as well :wink: but we muddle through.
 
I know, I feel like swearing quite a bit. He is off work sick but I intend to have strong words with them when he returns.

I had decided to wait a few hours to see if anyone here replied, and if not, to just silicone plastic over one of the holes. So I will continue to wait. Patience at an all-time low :frown: If you have any ideas, I'm listening!
 

Shop Amazon

Shop Amazon
Shop Amazon; support TONMO!
Shop Amazon
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon and affiliated sites.
Back
Top