Responsibilities associated with keeping and breeding cephs

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when it comes to captive bred and then released animals, what i was talking about was solely those released for environmental purposes. believe me, there are enough problems from idiots releasing pets where i live. ive seen enough python vs gator or python killing pet dog stories on the local news to make you sick. its tiring.

but we also have a very good community when it comes to lack of poaching and a respect of wildlife when u go farther up into central florida, which is where the wolves I was talking about were released. i know it does not work for all animals, but it does work for some and it is worth the effort for some species, dependant on the species and the surrounding environment.

there are also those species whose natural habitat has been ruined so badly that there are no longer any wild animals of that kind, all that are left are the captive bred ones. and they cannot be released, not becaese they were captive bred, but necause they literally have no home in their natural habitats.

what makes this type of argument so heated is when it no longer is a debate. you cannot debate something when using the words "always" and "never" and the likes of them. i am still in school and i know this. if you are going to state an opinion, do it right. and if you are going to do it without seeming to have an ego, you might want to check how you are writing your opinions.

I may not be a legal "adult" yet, but I have learned this much from school.
 

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DHyslop;83037 said:
Its not about how old you are, but how old you act :smile:

LOL...ouch !

Actually, I feel quite comfortable with saying always and never...the facts back me up 100%. People have pointed to supposedly successful programs, the major problem is that we declare victory when after a year or two, the animals may have survived. Will they provide a sustainable breeding population? No. Never. Programs like this are done to garner money for the more important issues, such as actual wildlife management...controls of take, habitat preservation, etc. That is where we should be spending our time and resources.

Back to the case in point, no, I do not feel that most of the people who keep cephalopods in captivity are correct in doing so. The posts that started this debate were in relation to releasing captive bred octopus into their natural habitat, which I do believe was accurately pointed out to be completely wrong. We can't go tromping around the balance in the wild, all the while shouting at the top of our lungs just what great good we are doing by undertaking such programs as "captive breeding".

Never, as always. :smile:
 
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wow... and how old are you acting?? maybe i just wont come back to this site anymore, you guys sure don't like to hear other people's opinions or anything. i was taught to not use words such as never or always when talking in a debate, that was stating what i was told and shown, sorry the public school system isnt good enough for you. and the wolves i have been talking about were released about 4yrs ago now, and they are continually monitered. nothing can ever be proven "fact" until it has been through its full process. if you look into the scientific process, there is rarely "fact," things are changing all the time. also, how can you judge a program you have never seen or read up on?

i have agreed with you all along about the octopus being released part. that just doesnt work, its just like people here releasing pythons or red eared sliders and such.

if you have nothing better to say than something that makes your ego go up, then perhaps this site is not what i thought it was, especially if you are "staff."

thanks for the downpour.

if this site does not improve i will definately not be back, nor will any future octopus studying peers that i come across. i have gotten much better response, help, and respect from my lfs.
 

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Norge, I was complementing you and making a jab at some of the youngsters on the board who don't act quite as mature. I apologize if I could have been a bit more clear.

Dan
 

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Well this has all gotten pretty ugly and not worthwhile, so I'm locking this thread, and will include the note I posted yesterday on this...

Thanks again; let's move on.

tonmo;83022 said:
Thanks Fini -- we've discussed this a bit as staff. I believe strongly that alignment is key -- there are some frustrations coming through with a "soft spot" in our forum moderation and we'll address by year's end.

Collectively, I am confident I can speak for staff when I say we are staunchly in support of open discussion and self-regulation within the community -- however, we believe we can do more to define the framework of our beliefs when it comes to responsible ceph keeping.

I agree, Fini, the tone in this thread and perhaps one or two others is a bit of a downer and is not at all in the spirit of TONMO.com. Again, I feel an overall weak spot has been exploited a bit and I intend to ensure it gets addressed by way of a clearer statement of purpose and a better articulation of our collective philosophy on cephs and ceph care.

Thanks for everyone's patience!
 
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