[Featured]: Octopuses and lobsters have feelings – include them in sentience bill, urge MPs

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From The Guardian:

... on sentience in the class Cephalopoda, which includes octopus, cuttlefish and squid – and we will carefully consider the results of this review.”.

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From BBC:

When you think of an octopus or lobster, what comes to mind? ... using animals in scientific research, including octopus and squid - though not all species. ... But for example cuttlefish, related to octopus, are very intelligent," she says.

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From Metro:

An octopus in the sea, a lobster. The Conservative Animal Welfare Foundation wants the. Mps are pushing for octopuses and lobsters to be recognised ...

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Do you think this kind of post could cause a conflict of differing opinions?
For sure! What do you think? My own thoughts are at least somewhat embedded here, but I'm always happy to discuss as I am very aware this is an evolving topic and it's very important. Depending on where laws and regulations go, it could absolutely impact how TONMO operates. I've had many rich discussions on this at past TONMOCONs (e.g., w/ @perke; would love to get her take as well!)
 

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My personal thoughts may not be as popular. So I will try not to express them to bluntly. Growing up I took in all sorts of information about certain cephalopods (squid and octopus were mainly my focus) but now that I am experienced in keeping them and have more practical knowledge, I undertand that some of the information was just sensationalized. These are not animals I would say have sentience. They are very primitive in behavior in that they do what they need to live. They do learn but it stems from acquiring what is needed to live. Like food. Their unique physiology and learning capabilities have given them a given them certain attention that may not be necessary.
Cetaceans for example are an animal I would give a little more thought into in regards to possible sentience, but I think until some clear understanding of launguage that can be translated between species is defined then that still remains on the floor.
There are also other factors that can be brought into this. More economical so I won't go into it.
 

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They are very primitive in behavior in that they do what they need to live. They do learn but it stems from acquiring what is needed to live. Like food.
and at the same time, I can relate :mrgreen:

...I don't disagree with any of that. Re: economics, do you mean fisheries / harvesting cephs for food? Because yes, it does factor in when considering the full context of the topic.
 

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Yes I do mean fisheries. I mean octopus and lobster do have a market. Lobster for sure.
So taking them out might have ill effects on the communities that need them to survive. At least that would be my speculation. I am not against healthy and humane treatment of animals, but where does it end. If it is pursued to the point it is outlawed to fish these animals then that is to far. People need to eat and be able to make a living.
 

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We remain part of the food chain, and for whatever reasons people like to eat cephs. I chose to stop in 2005... but I remember it enough to know they are tasty. So to your point, I would think any such change would have to be gradual, coordinated, and to some level, funded to deal with the livelihood displacement you cite and other associated issues. I would think even a gradual change would face a lot of hurdles in most governments.

The answer to "where does it end" I suppose directly correlates with our advances in understanding these creatures, and whatever the resulting knowledge is.

:hmm:
 

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