Lawsuit being filed on Friday June 13th

Patrick1948

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I am filing the lawsuit against Christopher Ilitch on Friday June 13th.
I am basing my lawsuit against Mr. Christopher Ilitch on the Michigan Bodies of Dead Animals Act 239 of 1982.
If the octopus was not in refrigeration before being taken to the arena, and it can be verified, then
is against the law.
I am mailing the papers for the lawsuit to the U.S. District Court on Thursday by Express Mail.
I am also sending a letter to the judge explaining why I have standing in the court.
I am asking the court to issue an order to Christopher Ilitch, President of Ilitch Holdings to publicly announce
that no real octopus can be brought into the arena ever again
I am sure that a toy stuffed octopus would bring good luck to the team just as much as a real one.
Just because this tradition is 56 years old, doesn't mean it is a good one, or a moral one.
The law is from the Michigan Department of Agriculture.
IF the animal has not been in refrigeration for the previous 24 hours before tossing it, the person is breaking the law.
The reason I got involved in this matter, is because I first learned about this tradition two weeks ago.
I have never followed any sports in my life, and I am 60 years old now.
When I saw the dead animal being twirled in the air, it turned my stomach.
The octopus is an intelligent animal, living its life in the ocean.
There are only 3 reasons it is caught; food, scientific research and for a pet.
No animal should be taken from its home and killed, and then used for our amusement.
That is horrible.
my e-mail is [email protected]
Everyone has the responsibility of protecting all animal life on the planet.
They are not supposed to be killed, and then used for our amusement.
All animals have the right to live their lives, just like we humans do.
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Interesting. Thanks for explaining the legalities you discovered. Good luck, and I hope this helps to give some publicity to octos as intelligent animals worth of respect and interest.
 
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Actually, the fake "rubber" octo alternative would be a financial boon to the organization... they could just pick them all up after the game, wash them, and resell them right there at the arena. In-house sales with no disposal fees.
 
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"I am asking the court to issue an order to Christopher Ilitch, President of Ilitch Holdings to publicly announce
that no real octopus can be brought into the arena ever again"
You will already be thrown out of the arena if they find out you have an octopus with you.
How will you prove the octo wasn't refrigerated for 24 hrs? After a 3 hr game(stuffed in your shirt/pants)it will be hard to tell. I think your wasting your time.:wink:
 

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Lawsuit against Christopher Ilitch has been filed

The U.S. District Court will receive my papers and forms June 13th, 2008. The lawsuit has been filed.
If there are any questions you can contact me at:
[email protected]
 

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[edited: basic message 'no one cares'] You will loose and waste thousands of tax payers dollars. I wish I could tell you how I really feel but I would be banned from the forum. If you take time to read the law invertebrates are not considered. Either are insects. You can kill and tortue them becuase they are considered food or nuisance. Did you know that ALL stadiums spray insecticides to kill bugs and lay down poison to control rodents. How many billions of innocent lifeforms must die so we can pleasure ourselves with sporting events. [...] I'd wish you luck if it was not for all the money that will be wasted on this rather then onimprtant legal matters.
 

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dreadhead;119693 said:
"I am asking the court to issue an order to Christopher Ilitch, President of Ilitch Holdings to publicly announce
that no real octopus can be brought into the arena ever again"
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This is already an announced and published policy that has been in place at the arena for some time. If once in the arena, and found by security, the parties are escorted out of the arena. They are not charged with anything because they have not broken any law.

As for the 24 hour frig rule. This does not apply to invertebrates or insects. A pet store that carries fish/ivertebrates only does not even require a pet shop license because there are NO regulations on the treatment/cruelty of fish, invertebrate or insects. In my opinion there should be but there are not.

This is not so much a waste of time but a waste of tax payer money. How about being more productive and get the tax payer money spent on trying to go after these money hungry oil companies so we can all benefit!!!!
 

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jellyman;119795 said:
[edited: basic message 'no one cares'] You will loose and waste thousands of tax payers dollars. I wish I could tell you how I really feel but I would be banned from the forum. If you take time to read the law invertebrates are not considered. Either are insects. You can kill and tortue them becuase they are considered food or nuisance. Did you know that ALL stadiums spray insecticides to kill bugs and lay down poison to control rodents. How many billions of innocent lifeforms must die so we can pleasure ourselves with sporting events. [...] I'd wish you luck if it was not for all the money that will be wasted on this rather then onimprtant legal matters.


Actually that's not strictly true, many of us do care! I find it totally offensive to toss the corpse of an animal around (whether it be an octopus a dog or whatever). We try very hard to teach our students to be respectful of the specimens they work with in the lab and I see no reason why sports people shouldn't have the same respect.

Just because inverts are not legally considered animals (interestingly squid, octopus, crabs and rock lobster are under NZ legislation!) doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated with respect.

Whether or not the lawsuit is going to waste money is to some extent up to Patrick, (although I assume the courts would have something to say as well). I agree it's going to be a hard one to prove but the same can be said of many lawsuits which ended up being landmark cases.

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Patrick, It will be interesting to hear how this progresses. I think many of us would appreciate the discontinuation of this tradition, even if we may not all agree about the best way to solve the problem.

Jellyman, you are welcome to express your opinion, but please be civil.
 

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Tintenfisch;119810 said:
Patrick, It will be interesting to hear how this progresses. I think many of us would appreciate the discontinuation of this tradition, even if we may not all agree about the best way to solve the problem.

Jellyman, you are welcome to express your opinion, but please be civil.

I was extremely civil. Eveyone on this board is as guilty as the guy throwing the octopus onto the ice, including me. We take octopus from the wild, place them in tanks that are too small, and try to justify that we give them all the best living conditions possble. And for what, our own amusement. I enjoy my saltwater hobby even though I know what I provide for these fish is nowhere near the experience they would have had in the wild. It is lawsuits like this that threaten the freedoms that we have to express what we enjoy. Although it may be offensive to some to throw a dead octopus onto the ice, even though it was going to get chopped up and eaten anyway, it is still there right. Do I agree with the tradition? No, I think it is pretty pointless but this lawsuit is as pointless.
 

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