Lawsuit being filed on Friday June 13th

jellyman

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Jean;119805 said:
Actually that's not strictly true, many of us do care! I find it totally offensive to toss the corpse of an animal around (whether it be an octopus a dog or whatever). We try very hard to teach our students to be respectful of the specimens they work with in the lab and I see no reason why sports people shouldn't have the same respect.

Just because inverts are not legally considered animals (interestingly squid, octopus, crabs and rock lobster are under NZ legislation!) doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated with respect.

Whether or not the lawsuit is going to waste money is to some extent up to Patrick, (although I assume the courts would have something to say as well). I agree it's going to be a hard one to prove but the same can be said of many lawsuits which ended up being landmark cases.

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J


It is hypocritical to state on one hand it is not alright to treat animals poorly and on the other hand have students cut them up. None of the specimens you are using volunteer. You are talking degrees of cruelty. Please do not take that the wrong way, I feel as humans we need to use animals for research and testing. In the end it will not only help us but it will hopefully help the animal.

I really hope they do not pass legislation on Lobsters because I love the TV show the Deadliest Catch!!!
 

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jellyman;119816 said:
I really hope they do not pass legislation on Lobsters because I love the TV show the Deadliest Catch!!!


Humm, I don't think lobster laws would effect Deadliest Catch but it might effect my annual lobster dinner :hmm:
 

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Thanks for toning it down a bit, jellyman.

I've tried to look at this from a few different perspectives. I think most people would be offended by throwing a dead dog or cat or dolphin or seal onto the ice, and probably even most dead food animals like chicken, cow, lamb, or pig. For some reason, I see less problem with tossing a fish, I'm not sure why, and I guess most people lump octos in with fish. I'm not sure there's a lot to be gained, or a solid legal standing, for a lawsuit on the subject, but I can imagine an indirect gain of bringing it to the attention of the media that octopuses are animals that are kept as pets, that have personalities, and are perhaps worthy of similar respect.

There are some countries that give cephalopods the same protections as vertebrates with respect to humane treatment, and there are some research institutions that treat them as "honorary vertebrates" in the U.S. even though they're not legally required to.

I think the "invertebrate" classification is not really an appropriate measure, anyway... if, rather than whether an animal has a backbone, we use number of neurons as the criterion (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_neurons ) then an octopus should be treated with more respect than a cat. I'm pretty sure that if people were chucking dead cats onto the ice at hockey games, a lot more people than Patrick would be filing lawsuits.

I also think there are some qualitative differences between using animals for legitimate research purposes, so I disagree that it's hypocritical to "have students cut them up" and yet object to this hockey thing. It seems to be a fairly accepted norm that use of animals for research is more acceptable than use for food, pets, or entertainment, and that any of those should be done humanely and respectably. Throwing animal corpses around for entertainment is somewhat frowned upon in general, so it does seem weird that octopuses and fish are somehow not worthy of this respect. In any case, researchers also have well-defined standards of treatment to which they are supposed to adhere, so it's not really a fair comparison.

I'm not sure whether a lawsuit is the ideal method to pursue this; it does seem a bit quixotic and will require court time, but it also is not as frivolous as a lot of lawsuits that I hear about (and even one I wasted 2 weeks on jury duty for.)
 

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dwhatley;119825 said:
That and the last I saw, king crabs were the item of the crazed frozen fishermen.

True enough. There is a show called Lobsterman. That's pretty good too but deadliest Catch is better.
 

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Goal of Lawsuit

The reason I filed the lawsuit, was to have the court issue an order to Christopher Ilitch, to publicly state that methods will be implemented to guarantee that no real octopus bodies will be brought into the arena in the future. Every time I remember the man twirling the octopus like a lasso, it turns my stomach.
Octopus are caught for only 3 reasons: 1, food, 2, scientific research, and for pets. Not to be killed an their bodies used for our amusement.
If anyone is interested in this, you can contact me directly:
[email protected]
 

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i forget where it was posted, but most of the lawsuits ive seen are basing thier cases off of one thing. apparently they have to have been refrigerated for 24 hours+ previous to sale. i may be quoting that wrong. man the red wings are screwed. theyre about to get hit with a lot of lawsuits. im surprised nobody addressed this earlier since its been around for a few years.
 

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I watched part of Deadliest Catch once and had to turn it off; the sight of them hauling up hundreds to thousands of deep-sea crabs was too tragic for me. Made me feel sick.

:twocents:
 

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Tintenfisch;120042 said:
I watched part of Deadliest Catch once and had to turn it off; the sight of them hauling up hundreds to thousands of deep-sea crabs was too tragic for me. Made me feel sick.

:twocents:

Really?? What do you eat? And in all seriousness I'm really interested. Everything we eat wheter it is farmed like cows or harvested like king crab is at the simplest form alot of life being prepared for human consumption. Those crabs have been being harvested for decades and due to the strict quota enforcement some of the largest numbers are being produced today. This is truely one example of how to properly farm the ocean.
 

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