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A few questions on raising baby cuttles

Pea-brain

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Hi! I am plannin to set up my 30 gallon acrylic in the next few months and have it running by October. I hope to set it up with a common sump with my 3 ten gallons and I'm toying around with the idea of setting up a 50 gallon octo tank to also be plumbed into the common tank. Anywas, I hope to get cuttle eggs. But I have some questions so I can get a good idea of what I'm getting into. First I'd like to ask how many cuttles I can keep in the 30 gallon assuming optimum water conditions (no ammonia, no nitrites, less than 25 ppm nitrate)? I've heard mixed things, but it seems that as long as I don't get 2 males it should be fine. Just wanted to check. Anyways questions

1: are eggs usually viable? What I mean is if I get 2 eggs wil I most likely get 2 babies?

2: Mortality rates? do you have high mortality rates on your hatchling from disease, unknkowns etc.

I have more questions but I'm only allowed so many characters In each text box, so I'll ask some more in next post. Thanks!'

Dan
 

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Hmmm... I'm already a pygmy! I was a larval mass not too long ago :biggrin2:

3: How many mysids should I expect to feed each day? I want to keep mysids in the 30 gallon while the cuttles are in the net, but I expect I'll have to keep reordering them even if I feed them brine shrimp every day.

4: I've read of people feeding pods to newvborns. Is this necessary or can they go for mysids immediatly?

5: seawaterexpress.com sells 1000 1/4-1/2 inch saltwater ghost shrimp for about 140$. what age would the cuttles be able to handle these small shrimp? I figured they would make a good food after mysid stage. also they sell mysid sized shrimp larvae which might add variety.

7: If I dumped a whole bunch of prey in at once, would they pig out all at once or pace themselves? It would be nice to throw some in and let them hunt naturally. and would allow a temp CUC

Thats all I have for NOW, but I'll post more if I think of them. As always, thank you and I searched a bit before I posted. sry if I missed something though.

Dan
 

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I don't think I made this clear enough, so in the first post I meant I will get the tank running in a few months and have it cycled and ready for cuttles by october, and in the second I meant feed the brine shrimp to the mysids so they don't eat eachother, not the cuttles except for variety once and a while, after being enriched with selcon of course. Also maybe add a few plastic screen for more surface area for mysids? Again thanks. This place has been really helpful so far just from the articles and browsing forums!

Dan
 

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I would suggest no more than one adult cuttle in a 30 gallon tank. More are fine when they are small, but when they start mating (around 6 months) or get big, a 30 is going to be small for more than one.

1 & 2) Sometimes the eggs are viable, sometimes they aren't. Sometimes they are viable but you lose some of the babies for various reasons. Welcome to the wonderful world of trying to plan cuttles!

3) Depends on how big they are. As they grow, they will eat more. I have watched my current batch catch 4 mysids in minutes. So, expect the feeding to ramp up over 2-3 months depending. I like to feed them a lot so they grow quicker so I can get them off mysids as soon as possible.

4) They can go straight to mysids. They may not eat for the first few days anyway.

5) Its not really an age thing, its a size thing. When you think they are big enough, you try a batch of a bigger feed and see how it goes. As the cuttles get bigger and more 'confident' they can start to take food as large or larger than their bodies. See pic below of a 2 month old trying to eat something big.

aquaculturestore.com/swinverts.html sells lots of small shore shrimp and livebrineshrimp.com sells a 'feeder' shrimp. Of the three, I like aquaculturestore.com because shipping is included in the price and they use no styrofoam in their shipping.

7) I am not a fan of the big dump mainly because it leaves you no way to judge which animals are eating and which aren't. You also have no way of knowing if they food actually gets eaten by the cuttles. Also, sometimes they will pig out, sometimes they will pace, but worse sometimes they will catch and kill food, but let it drop to the bottom to be forgotten when something else tasty looking comes along.
 

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Pea-brain;97394 said:
I don't think I made this clear enough, so in the first post I meant I will get the tank running in a few months and have it cycled and ready for cuttles by october, and in the second I meant feed the brine shrimp to the mysids so they don't eat eachother, not the cuttles except for variety once and a while, after being enriched with selcon of course. Also maybe add a few plastic screen for more surface area for mysids? Again thanks. This place has been really helpful so far just from the articles and browsing forums!

Dan

I would feed cyplop-eeze to the mysids. Cheaper and easier. :biggrin2:
 

Pea-brain

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Hmmm..thanks for the link to aquaculturestore. They are alot cheaper. Of course with the place I had they culture them, and I talked to the guy who does it and it is a pain! they need to give them surgery to make them breed more often, they take more than a year to grow, they need to mess with lunar/light and wave cycles. Heh. Oh well cheap is good. What you said is a bit unsettling though. I was hoping that 2 would fit in my 30 because A) it increases chances of breeding and B) if one egg isn't viable or another dies or something I'll have another. So if I get one and it dies, what'll I do? If I get more and they all survive, I have to find someone who'll take it (prolly not too hard here though lol!) anyways thanks. I'm sure I'll have some more questions soon, but I'm kinda wired from not sleeping last night...Hmmm..thanks for the link to aquaculturestore. They are alot cheaper. Of course with the place I had they culture them, and I talked to the guy who does it and it is a pain! they need to give them surgery to make them breed more often, they take more than a year to grow, they need to mess with lunar/light and wave cycles. Heh. Oh well cheap is good. What you said is a bit unsettling though. I was hoping that 2 would fit in my 30 because A) it increases chances of breeding and B) if one egg isn't viable or another dies or something I'll have another. So if I get one and it dies, what'll I do? If I get more and they all survive, I have to find someone who'll take it (prolly not too hard here though lol!) anyways thanks. I'm sure I'll have some more questions soon, but I'm kinda wired from not sleeping last night...:P

Dan
 

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If you get too many you can spread them out in your tanks, they will clear up that pesky mantis shrimp for you.
 

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Pea-Brain,
I am trying to chronicle my first pair in the Journals forum under Winkin, Blinkin and Nod:
http://www.tonmo.com/community/index.php?threads/7656/

It might help give you an idea of timing and mistakes to avoid :oops:. I purchased 3 babies (I tried eggs once before with no success at even seeing the first signs of development). One died the first week but the other two are doing very well. They went into their first real tank yesterday. Cuttlegirl warned me that even in a 15 gallon I would be having heart attacks finding them and I have my first today (much to my son's amusement since he had already located both of them and had to point Winkin out to me :biggrin2:
 

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Wow! thse are tiny! About how long are they and how big are the shore shrimp they are being fed? I would be scared putting those in with shrimp and crabs bigger than them! and they are so tiny! how could you possibly keep track of them? Anyways the new plan is to order 3 eggs, and if any extra survive sell all but the one I like the most to fellow board members. How is that for a bit of fried gold? (yeeeahhh booii!)

Dan
 
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Pea-brain;97393 said:
3: How many mysids should I expect to feed each day? I want to keep mysids in the 30 gallon while the cuttles are in the net, but I expect I'll have to keep reordering them even if I feed them brine shrimp every day.

Dan

Good luck finding the mysids in the 30 gallon after you release them :biggrin2:. I kept mine in a large insulated cooler with about an inch or so of water (to have a large surface area for oxygen exchange). They are extremely cannabilistic no matter how much you feed them. I had to reorder mysids every 4-7 days in the beginning. Once they went to shore shrimp, life was much easier.

I have to recommend the aquaculture store also. I used the aquaculturestore.com for all of my shrimp and have been pleased with their service.
 

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