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Hi
i have been doing some reaserch on these animals in my spare time and have come across one of the most awful things i could read. these awsome/beautiful animals are being seen less and less i talked to a oceanographer a few days ago and he said they are seeing fewer and fewer each week and they dont know why. so i am going to just voice my opinion on the collection of these animals, i think we should do our best to discourage the trade/capture of these animals because not much is known about them i mean you have probably read that corals years ago could not be kept now they are rather easy to keep compared to some fish. so please people dont buy these animals til we know more about there husbandry as it somewhat disturbs me at what species of octopus i find on website for sale. i spoke to a store that sold the so called zebra octopus and sold it for a amzing price of 600$ i asked him if they were easy compared to bimacs and he said they are the most difficult marine animals he has ever seen i asked him why then does he import them and he said that he makes more money when he imports them and people buy them and they die and order another one.
i dont think it is right for an animal to suffer for the almighty dollar that is just cruel in my opinion so please if you really care discourage the importation of these animals.
now that you all think i am a enviromental extremeist i just want to say i am not but i really care alot about these animals and dont want to see them go extinct beacause of something cruel and not right and because of some pretty inconsiderate actions we do. now that that is out of the way i hope we can learn alot from these animals.
 

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Hear, hear! If I want to see these animals I'll either pop in my videotape of them or fly to Indonesia to try to find them.
 

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Agree completely...whenever I see them offered for sale on a list, I call up the place and give them some facts...if no one buys them, they will stop collecting them.
greg
 

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Greg,

I'm interested in their potential venom. Has anyone progressed further in researching this?

Erich
 

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None of the venom researchers I know of are working with them...probably due to the rareness of the animal ( I know with rattlesnakes, they need samples from a diverse selection of animals...lots of milking out in the field !).
Maybe someone in Australia is working with them?
greg
 

Neogonodactylus

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Wonderpus collection?

Interesting problem. You are interested in the venom, but how are you going to study it without animals in hand. It certainly is not going to be easy in Lembeh. Getting a permit to take the animals for research will be very difficult and freezing the samples and getting them to a lab will be tricky (the last tissues I carried in liquid nitrogen to the US from Indonesia nearly got me thrown in jail in Korea). This means that the only animals likely to be available will come through the aquarium trade and the collector/importer certainly will not distinguish between animals taken for the trade or animals obtained for research. And at $600 a pop, sample sizes at least on my grants would be pretty small.

For the record, we do have a few samples of wonderpus venom and one of my graduate students will be taking a look at them later this spring.
 

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You still have to wonder if the "science" is worth the dead animals at the end of things...I have found the office sciences to rather unreliable in many areas, and every time I see another pickled collection of a wiped out species, I cringe.
I don't think captive maintenance is validated by study at this time, until we have better facts regarding the actual population in the wild.
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according to my friend their venom may be mildly venomous meaning that the worst it could do is cause some discomfort but they are not 100% sure on this
 

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Hmmm... my primary interest would be in a fictional context, actually, and that doesn't sound quite dramatic enough for those purposes.
 

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