[Octopus]: Wink - Octopus Digueti

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Thanks Tony & CuttleGirl!

I ordered 6 of those bags to start with for the pumps and even to use in the back for the carbon I LOVE to use. I love how crystal clear the water gets, and I'm a huge stickler when it comes to clean glass even on my car. :lol: (Obsession really) I was using the tie bags you can get in the LFS. I couldn't find anything else that was porous enough for water to pass through without losing any tiny pieces.

As far as a filter sock fitting back there, with the design I don't think it would work. I'm not very creative at modifying to be able to use something like a filter sock back there, and I love the filter sock idea. So I just ordered new media baskets. The stock ones are VERY flimsy, not much room for filtration media, and are a pain to put back together once the media is actually changed out. MediaBaskets.com make some really great mods for tanks and some factory parts for specific tanks that most LFS don't sell anymore.
 

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Just come back from buying some coarse sponges of various sizes, another air pump with a fine mist stone, & Bamboo skewers for feeding time. Husband wanted to go for dinner but I wanted to come back and watch my new little friend and hope they come back out of their cave. He just laughed and said he's fine with take out as long as I give him uninterrupted Xbox 360 time on the living room TV. :lol:

Was on the phone with my Seller, and he said the specific shipment for this one was Florida. So do you think maybe O. Mercatoris even with the blue hue? I agree with the O. Digueti because of the blue hue but was unsure if they would be in Florida. (still scratching my head) I haven't been able to find a lot on the specie, but from what I read I thought they were Native to the southern California Mexico waters. :read:

I thawed another small tiny piece (pencil eraser size) and put it on a skewer. But this time he/she stayed in her little cave. So I put it near the entrance to it, and they stuck her arm out and touched it but pulled their arm back inside. I wedged the skewer so I could sit and watch and hope it would eat it, but after 5 min of watching nothing. :frown: I was out most of the day Octopus shopping, so I figured I'd run to the basement to throw a load of laundry in, and came back up with the skewer moved with no shrimp on it. I searched the tank and didn't see the piece of shrimp anywhere, and the 2 small blue leg crabs were still running around on the bottom searching for the shrimp I think because they were like tiny Turbo Crab speed racers. :lol: For the past day all I could see was an eyeball and one arm. Now I look in the hole and he moved and re positioned himself from what I could see it looked to be eating.

I took a video and it looks like it's eating but I'd like some others to chime in. The body color was changing until I pulled my phone out to video and then it stayed pretty much white, but you can see some suckers moving. I know it's hard for them to take food this early, be that active (at first), and eat shrimp off a skewer. I can't be that lucky right? I'm just knocking on wood and praying to the Octopus Goddess that I get a few months and the activity continues.

 

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When I fed from the tooth pick the other night the Octopus was stuck to the back corner of the tank where the return water comes in, and the algae scrapper. I didn't have my hand in just 2 fingers and a thumb holding the toothpick. It was probably 4 inches from the top of the water hiding behind the algae scrapper. I made sure to wash my hands well without soap to get off the shrimp juice. I don't want a mistaken ID on my fingers for food or poison the little guy with soaps. I'm gonna grab a pair of small rubber gloves to handle any food stuffs.
 

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If it is Caribbean (FL) then the top of the choice list will be O. mercatoris. There is another dwarf species in the Caribbean (O. joubini) but they are rare to come across and we have only guessed that a couple of animals (not looking like this) are true joubini. Sedna's was likely a good guess as it laid small eggs that developed into pelagic hatchings. Unfortunately she did not have opportunity to get clear closeups of Pandora. The little eye tabs help to and mantle marbling point to O. mercatoris.

Studying your first photos, I am guessing this one to be female. I don't see any enlargement of the suckers and the one photo with arms stretched out does not show the third arm rolled and protected. I believe she is old enough to have mated so you may have an opportunity to try to raise hatchlings.
 

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I tried to feed her around 8pm again to make sure she is eating. But she grabbed it and spit it out & the 2 live crabs are still alive in there. I sat and watched her for a few hours with only the stove light on in the kitchen. She just peers out her little cave and says "Nope no more pictures of my cuteness" I was hoping to really get some shots of her underside. I didn't see any enlarged suckers either when I examined her when I first picked her up. I was looking for that and the curled up arm.

I just tried again with a smaller piece of shrimp and Bingo she took it. (2Am) She might not have been hungry earlier when I tried but she grabbed it now and pulled it in her cave and started munching on it like in that video. I wish I could see her eating it. It's one of my favorite things to watch them eating, stalking their prey, the body colors changing, their body enveloping the food, and then the feeling of "Thank heavens she's eating." That has got to be the worst part them not eating. They get so stressed out easily and they don't want food. I sit across the kitchen from her and read on my iPad and wait for a glimpse.

I'm going to do a small water change tomorrow. Still no Inking yet, but I want to be safe.The water parameters have been holding up, but its only been a few days. (nervous nelly) I know the Bio load of an Octopus is 3 x's that of a fish of similar size right? Waiting 24hours before I put in fresh mixed Instant Ocean saltwater. Yea I went and bought her her own bucket of salt. I figured if you've been using it this long with no problems I should give it a go.

Should I stay with the jumbo shrimp I get and keep chopping it or should I try some small popcorn size pieces with the shell still on it? I don't want to jinx myself, or change her food up anytime soon. It was just a thought of her taking off the shell. Can't wait to try a fiddler crab or some shore shrimp. That should be very interesting to watch.
 

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If she is eating what you have, I would not change the type of shrimp but adding variety is usually a good idea, at least after they are fully acclimated. Since you are getting shore shrimp and fiddlers, I would continue with what you have and offer the new food when it arrives. I forgot to suggest leaving a piece of shell on. We have had success with doing just that when an octopus refused shrimp. Eventually they will take it shell off when they are accustomed to dead food on a stick. With the merc, I think it is more a matter of size and if this one is accepting the shrimp without shell, I would not offer shell on as they don't eat it or get nutrients from it and it is just one more thing you need to get out of the tank. Note that the time of day may have been part of the initial refusal since mercs are nocturnal/crepuscular. Mine usually ate around 11:00. You may be able to adjust the time to feed to some degree by turning off the room lights (assuming no outside lighting - easier in the winter) a couple of hours before you want to feed.

I have seen many people report that their octopuses ate hermits. With one exception (LittleBit, O. vulgaris, ate ANYTHING that moved in her tank but was a little slow at taking dead food. I think it was with her that we discovered shell-on helped to initiate eating dead food) none of my 20+ animals ate hermits (at least not in detectable quantity and definitely not after being accustomed to being fed). I still have a couple of red legs in my tank after at least two octos and almost that many years.

I have no strong feelings about Instant Ocean but I do like the company and I know of at least two major aquariums that use it (likely it was originally donated for the advertisement but ...). I have used one acquired (not purchased) off brand that was terrible and another major brand that formed a strange brown "scum" at the top of my mixing bucket. The scum did not negatively impact the tanks and I used it up but went back to IO. There are more expensive brands that others swear by but I never see direct comments that are convincing and usually write the enthusiasm off to brand loyalty (like iXxx products :biggrin2:). In general, salt brand does not seem to be majorly impactive as long as it does not contain harmful metals and dissolves well.

Anecdotally, inking in the tank seems to be somewhat species related and merc keepers rarely see inking at all. Interestingly, adult O. hummelincki almost appear to need to release ink from time to time. It is almost like they build up a supply and if it is not used, need to release it. There could be other explanations but we have several reports and I have personally noted inking for no reason on a well adjusted animals. A rapid scare, however, will almost always cause any octopus that we keep to release at least a small amount. Major inking is very rare and I only recall two instances where the entire tank was blackened. One was with an O. vulgaris and the other, one of my O. hummelinckis. The vulgaris died (whether it was dieing and inking or the ink killed it is not known). Fortunately, I had an open tank and could relocate the O. hummelincki as soon as she stopped pouring out ink. I suspect in both cases the contact with ink itself may have caused the excessive outpour of more but have no clue why these two animals were different from the many others we have journaled.
 

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1 hermit is missing today and so is the shell. She hasn't come out of her cave/den at all during the day anymore, just the first initial day and that was it. I think just to see her surroundings is my only guess. Still waiting on the Shrimps and crab to arrive.

I have an idea for a modification for the top of the tank. I want to use a thick piece of plexiglas and have Velcro all the way around it to hold it down. I know it won't be aesthetically pleasing to the eye, but I was thinking on making a makeshift top with white chair rail style framing around it to look like a custom built hood/top to hide the Velcro top. Maybe put some Red lights in there for viewing.

I'm also trying to find a better stand then the one it is on. I just haven't felt comfortable with the style or material it is made from. I seen one a while back on www.nano-reef.com that had a granite top and the build was amazing.
 

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Great looking cabinet but press board (the decorative outer paneling) does not do well with moisture. Any water that gets in between the laminated sides will expand the press board. With his support system it would not impact the functionality but, as messy as I am around my tanks, the esthetics would not hold up.

Dollars to donuts, the crab and shell are in the den. One of my octos (not merc) would get very annoyed at her doorway because it kept trying to leave :biggrin2:
 

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I'm messy as well with water changes and maintenence. It's not overly sloppy but water does tend to get on the sides. I always clean up my mess with a vinegar spray bottle I use for saltcreep but this could be problemsome.

I was just in the kitchen making lunch, and she was still in her den. She has her arms going in and out of all the holes again in that piece of LR and she even came to the edge of the den to peer at me. I thought she might be hungry since she hasnt taken another piece of shrimp since 2 days ago. So I tried a tiny piece and she just grabbed it then spit it out and blew it out of her den. I sure hope those crabs and shrimp arrive today. I'm starting to get worried. How often should she be fed? I was trying twice a day.
 

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I cant see past her in the den, but I know I stuck 2 in there. The smaller of the 2 is running around the tank cleaning up super tiny pieces of crab or munching on debris.
 

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