unfortunate newbie has a blue ring

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I'm 14 and new to the ceph addiction. I got a small octopus in a biocube for my birthday and the people at the store said it was a "pigmy", I was going to get a 75gal tank (which I haven't managed to get yet). She hasn't grown much during the time I had her so I knew that I wouldn't need a tank to soon. But during interaction she mistook a piece of food for my finger so I stuck the handle of a net in her tentacles and she grabbed that and was getting aggravated and I saw that she had the blue ring pattern. Needles to say, I'm not going to hand feed her anymore.

Even though I didn't know that she was a blue ring, I kept her water quality perfect for her and made sure I did %15 water changes in the water.

She is happy and well.

Oh yeah, I thought of pictures but then I couldn't find the cord to hook up the camera to the computer. I'll let you all see her some other time. :goodbye:
 

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chaostheory;121208 said:
I'm 14 and new to the ceph addiction. I got a small octopus in a biocube for my birthday and the people at the store said it was a "pigmy", I was going to get a 75gal tank (which I haven't managed to get yet). She hasn't grown much during the time I had her so I knew that I wouldn't need a tank to soon. But during interaction she mistook a piece of food for my finger so I stuck the handle of a net in her tentacles and she grabbed that and was getting aggravated and I saw that she had the blue ring pattern. Needles to say, I'm not going to hand feed her anymore.

Even though I didn't know that she was a blue ring, I kept her water quality perfect for her and made sure I did %15 water changes in the water.

She is happy and well.

Oh yeah, I thought of pictures but then I couldn't find the cord to hook up the camera to the computer. I'll let you all see her some other time. :goodbye:

Yike! :alarm: I'm glad you're OK!

That raises all sorts of concerns: please, of course, be really, really careful.

Although we're not aware of any casualties from blue-rings kept as pets, the potential for fast and lethal poisoning is very real. I would never advise keeping one in a room where anyone sleeps, and make very sure to keep out any pets, siblings, naive visitors, and anyone else who might get into the tank. I believe Roy Caldwell has a policy that in his lab, no one is to be in the room with the blue-ring tanks alone, ever.

If you are bitten, don't waste any time getting emergency attention: the primary symptom of the venom (TTX, Tetrodotoxin) is rapid onset muscular paralysis, to the point where the victim can't breathe and can't seek help. It's treatable if there is someone who notices and can call for an ambulance so the victim is on a breathing machine for a few days.

I'm sure you're attached to this octopus, but I want to point out that Mote, a professional aquarium, decided to euthanize an blue-ring that was donated to them because they didn't want to accept the risk of having the animal. At the very least, I would encourage you to demand your money back from the store, and make it very clear that selling this animal to anyone without properly identifying it and explaining the risks is homicidally negligent.

it sounds like you're pretty clear on the ID, but since I'm suggesting making a fuss, I suppose I should also make sure that it's not just two eyespots, it's blue rings all over the octopus that were flashed, right?

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I also recommend Roy's article at http://www.thecephalopodpage.org/bluering1.php if you need to convince anyone of the risks involved, but it sounds like you're pretty much aware of what this means, just unsure what to do about it, right?

edit: if you're comfortable with it, if you let us know where you're located, we might be able to help you find a local facility that is equipped to handle blue-rings safely, like Roy's lab in Berkeley. I wouldn't recommend mailing the animal to Roy, though, since lest a postal worker be bitten inadvertently.

edit2: I just read on an earlier thread that she bit your finger on the nail a few weeks ago! That's pretty concerning!
 

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If it is a blue ring, you need to hand it off to an experienced keeper or lab asap.

Venomous/Deadly octopus should only be kept by very well trained aquarists, after years of learning how to avoid being bitten.

Death at age fourteen would be a real tragedy.
 

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chaostheory;121220 said:
I've decided to be ignorant and keep it. It just won't be hand fed as often. But thanks for your concern.


Ignorance doesn't fly too far with me. Good luck.
 

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chaostheory;121220 said:
I've decided to be ignorant and keep it. It just won't be hand fed as often. But thanks for your concern.

Ignorance doesn't offer any protection from death. If this is your attitude, you really shouldn't keep this animal at all; the only sane way to keep a blue-ring is to be as careful as possible to mitigate all the risks of poisoning, and to have backup protection where everyone is safe even if the proactive protection fails.
 

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I withhold judgement on this until I see a picture of the animal. The only Hapalochlaena I have seen for sale in the US is H. lunulata and if you have one, you are going to see the blue rings most of the time, not just when feeding it. My guess is either that the "blue ring pattern" is a pair of ocelli - or ...

If this really is a blue-ring and it behaves aggressively towards a feeding stick, it should not be in a home aquarium.

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My local LFS always has blue rings. I'm not sure who is buying them but they almost always have one in stock and they are pretty easily identified because the blue rings stand out very well!!
 
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