thinking of raising briareus

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Hi everyone, well Tom from Tom's Caribbeans has a briareus female that has eggs. Originally i instantly said no, but now i am thinking maybe i should try rearing the babies. Since Tom lives close to me i could meet up with him and avoid shipping.
If i do raise them successfully then i would sell the babies on here for no profit, just as much as is needed to cover the cost of food and shipping.
Now to the real questions. From what i've read i would need to feed them mysis or amphipods. Is this correct?
If so, were can i get these cheaply?.
Also, i live close to the ocean, so does anyone know where and how i could collect food myself, since this would bring the cost of keeping and raising them down by a lot.
Thanks in Advance :smile:
 

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I'm expecting that SueNami is a mated female but hoping to be way behind you so keep a very detailed journal!!! I would pickup a bar of Cyclop-eeze to keep in the freezer for supplement or days when food is a problem. The mercs got it with every meal and the original mom lived much longer than normal after the brood hatched (her daughter mated a second time and went into brooding behind the tank. I THINK I know where she was and about the time the eggs (there were not likely any) would have hatched, I saw a shell drop from the suspected chamber. That would have put her a month past egg hatch if 2+2 = 4 on second guessing. I don't know that the Cyclop-eeze was responsible at all but it is a good baby food if they eat it.
 

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I raised a briareus to over four months in a tank stocked with mysis and with its own large supply of amphipods. There were also crabs including very small ones. So it is possible with mysids and amphipods, then moving onto crabs.

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Yea, the main thing for me is being able to collect the food locally, otherwise the cost would just be too much, and i would rather just get a young octopus.
 

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I will make a suggestion based on my own vicarious experience with Joe and Connanny's babies and is what I plan to do if SueNami has young. Prepare containers for single individuals (I am thinking somewhere between 5 and 10) and isolate them before they are a week old. The rest leave in the tank and try not to be to upset with what happens. Joe's tank was saturated with live food (from his backdoor biou ;>). Just before we arrived (roughly 2 weeks after they hatched) the ones in his very large tank (my guess is 160 - 200 gallons) started dieing off in droves. Each had little damaged places in their mantles and we could see damage on many live ones in the tank. Joe thought this started about 3 days before we arrived. He gave us the ones he had isolated (that did not make the trip home sadly) and put others into isolation. None of the babies survived.

The mercs are much easier to raise but, for whatever reason (they don't appear to attack each other) IME only 5-6 grow into adults. The odd thing is that this has been the case with both Greg's and my rearing attempts with a highly differing numbers of hatchlings. Second guessing, based solely on the fact that Trapper had only 6 young (odd in itself so I am wondering if she laid eggs and then moved before finishing the egg laying when I offered a better den - odd in itself and may be way off-base), I would go for the last of the hatching rather than the first. My strategy will be to try to separate the young :roll: and capture and replace the ones I isolate each day of the hatching. It won't be easy but the design of SueNami's tank makes it slightly feasible if I point the Koralias toward the non-brood side at night and place a screen over the tubes durning the day. At least this is what I have come up with so far :wink:
 

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Would it be ok to raise them on just amphipods? since i can collect some locally and i can breed them in a much simpler set up than what mysis requires.
 

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I can't say for certain, but the mysids, at least the ones I used, were much smaller than the amphipods and provided food for the very young hatchlings. This was the sequence used at the NRCC for raising bimacs: mysids, amphipods, then on to small crabs and shrimp.

Chris Shaw observed some time ago that bristle worms can damage hatchlings by grabbing the food they've captured and taking an arm or two with the food. I saw evidence of this myself.

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Alright, well im waiting for an answer from Tom on the price for the eggs, but yea i'll probably do mysis and then amphipods; hopefully the switch from mysis to amphipods doesn't take long.
 

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Ok, Tom responded and im getting the eggs sometime soon for 20 bucks. I plan to artificially hatch them using an airstone (like it says here)
Then i will feed them mysis at first and slowly introduce amphipods (which i will culture at home and collect at the beach)
I plan to raise a few (15-20) in breeder nets with 2-3 per net and the rest i will leave in a tank with live rock and amphipods and mysis.
Does this all sound good? Please tell me if i am missing anything.
Thanks.
Also, does anyone have an estimate as to how long they will need to be fed mysis before i can use amphipods?
 

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interesting. I agreed to buy the mama octo with her eggs from Tom yesterday, I bet you're getting some of the eggs. We will have to keep in touch and share tips etc! I have also ordered mysids, amphipods and fiddlers to start propagating for food.
 

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