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The Once-ler

sedna

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brooding...

I haven't seen the Once-ler out of her den since Wednesday. She is still taking food, at least. I "chum" the tank first with defrost water from her shrimp and her arms flail out from holes in the rock den- the rock looks like it's going to fly away. She pulls the shrimp in and I haven't gotten left- overs yet.

I had been hoping that I might be able to get the eggs out to send to someone more qualified/ experienced than me. Now I see that I won't get even a glimpse of the eggs. In fact, I'm not sure I'll even know it if she dies in there... Anyway, D said I have about 3 weeks. A.M., how long (days) did it take for Grover's eggs to hatch? I know they came sooner than you expected- how soon should I set things up?

I have a ton of Q's, I've looked at past journals and if I've overlooked answers, sorry- but I'm grateful for any info! Does the shape of container make a difference (I've seen that mentioned in journals)? Am I right in thinking these pelagic little guys mostly just need to keep moving and not get stuck in corners? Do they need to be moving in the H2O column? A.M., you have suggested to others that the containers be shallow w/ lots of surface area, why? Is it an O2 thing?

I was serious when I asked in the last post if there is a connection between brooding and moon phases. Does the H2O turbidity or the reproduction cycle of prey for octo babies (coral spawn and such) have anything to do with it?

One local LFS has a supply of Reef Nutrition products, any recommendations (not to plug brands, but it's what it available) on what to get? Everyone has brine shrimp and baby brine, but I read they're not high in nutrition- can you "gut load" them like I do to crickets for my lizards? One of my LFS guys wondered if peppermint shrimp spawn would work?

Thanks in advance for any information you all have to offer!:notworth:
 


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Very good that she's still taking food.

3-4 weeks most likely ~78 degrees. You should set it up and make sure it's all easy to clean whatever you use. The suggestion of the shallow container was passed on to me. The last 2 survivors made it 24 hours longer than the others after I switched to this idea if that means anything. I floated it in the tank. I thought about ordering some of these for the next time... http://www.labdepotinc.com/Product_Details~id~60~pid~211.aspx I don't know how I would sustain temperature though. Perhaps in 2 dimensions it will be easier for the babies to capture prey. Food is going to be the toughest part. Aquaculturestore.com sells live copepods and mysis if you dare to spend the money to keep a supply.
 

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still brooding...

I'm still doing all of my regular tank upkeep, which is weird when the tank seems so empty. I'm still having arms accept food, but there is left- over shrimp now so I'm not sure how much she's eating.

I took the power head out of the tank and set up an air bubble curtain instead to O2 the water. BUT- what is the deal with octos and bubbles? I know they need lots of O2, especially the babies. But I've seen posts where people worry about bubbles, can someone explain?
 
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Air can get trapped in their mantle apparently. If she's not active I don't think it will cause a problem. I would think the babies would be too small for it to cause a problem but I could be wrong. In that large of a space it shouldn't be.
 


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Once-ler sighting!

First of all, I'd like to apologize for how clumsy I've been in the other forums on the site!:oops: I seem to have posted in the completely wrong place, then some how posted a thread twice:bonk: SORRY!

I feel so lucky to have seen the Once-ler today! Unfortunately, my over zealous air bubble experiment dislodged one of the shells from her den. She didn't bother to take care of it until this evening though, as I sat next to the tank blogging Tonmo! I took the opportunity to feed her a giant piece of shrimp, she took it and disappeared. I guess she'll finish her home improvement later!
 

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STILL brooding...

Wow, this is a really boring part of octo keeping. The Once-ler continues to keep her den shut up tight. My mom was here all last week and did get to see some arms here and there, but other than that you'd never guess anything is in that tank.

I occupy the time I was watching her with reading info and thinking up ideas. I've got all of materials gathered and cleaned. Tomorrow marks 2 weeks of "shut up tight" brooding. I was hoping to wait until this weekend to set up my brood tank as it will disrupt the living room a bit. Does that sound too late?
 

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I looked up Trapper's brood time and was surprised to see I was pacing at 8 weeks so I don't think there is any hurry. Serendipity has been underground for 3 weeks and I am just starting to set up food tanks.
 

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three weeks and counting...

It's been 3 weeks now since the Once-ler was last out and active. It's been about a week now that I've seen so much as an arm tip. She hasn't seemed to have taken any food for at least a week. About a week and a half ago, a very tiny hermit crab made it up to the top of her den, and she grabbed it and pulled it in. Since she'd always pass up shrimp on a stick for a live hermit before brooding, I went and got a few tiny ones to try again. We'll see...

I got nervous after not seeing anything of her at all, even though I've seen that commonly posted before. So I moved just a couple of small shells out of one hole in her den. I watched all day and never saw a thing, but sure enough it was repaired before lights out! I decided to leave well enough alone, for now.

At least I finally have Nancy's and Colin's book to read as I wait!:read:
 

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babies...

My husband was just finishing up the last of the work on the "frankentank" when I noticed teeny little octopuses swimming in the big tank! There aren't very many right now, which is good because the aquarium sealant isn't supposed to be cured for 24 hrs, so I'm running behind. I was hoping for a few more days- it's exactly 3 weeks from the day she shut herself for good. Also, it's been very warm the last few days (70F in MI after the time change! Holy global warming, Cephman!) so maybe that sped things up a bit.

The big tank is loaded with little 'pods of some sort, I've been encouraging the population with phytoplanktons for the last few weeks. I started some brine shrimp eggs that D sent me tonight, and today I bought some "rotifeast" at the LFS. They also have "arctipods" (Reef Nutrition) if anyone thinks it's worth the $$.

As mentioned, there are only a few babies right now. I've turned off the filter, and have one of those flexible "bubble ropes" in a circle around the inside of the tank for now. I have 3 in a floating breeder box with some macroalgae that is crawling with the critters I've been farming. Maybe they'll get a bite... There are a couple more riding the current made by the bubbles, the corner bow front shape is giving a nice circular flow. I'm hoping there will be more!

I can't wait to fill up the grow out tank my husband designed to see how it works. I am wondering how long I have to wait for the sealant to set before filling it, the pieces aren't under pressure, just directing flow... I'll never sleep tonight!!
 

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