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Ramie's 1st Octopus

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Sorry for the hijack but...
You are not alone in your :heart: for toothbrushes.
El Diablo loved them too!

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I have found the denture brushes that have the long slim brush on the back as well as the stiff toothbrush to have all kinds of uses but they are probably too stiff for cleaning around silicone. Great for live rock though as well as scrubbing grout :biggrin2:
 

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I was almost going to do a bare bottom tank, but thought they liked to sift and move the sand around. I know my mated Maroons are going nuts in my tank right now trying to nest or whatever it is they do. They stick to the corner just under the lower vents, and move sand like mad.
I thought I read in a post here before that they like to rearrange rock and move sand around. The finer the sand the better so they don't hurt themselves right? But advise would be to take out a few inches? Theres about 3 inches minimum in there now, so maybe about an inch across the bottom?
LFS told me deep sand bed filter is nice with the Nassarius, but they don't clean the sand as well as I think they should. Wish the water was clear right now, I would take a photo of the 250 Nassarius snails all over the piece of shrimp on a bamboo skewer for the Purple Lobster. So funny, their normally all under the sand, but as soon as you put food in that tank, they come out of the woodwork like cockroaches on a horror movie. :bugout:
 

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Thanks D for that info!

Kind of leaning towards a Merc. But are you sure with the way the 29g is setup? I'm gonna take some detailed photos of the inside of my tank Wed and show you what I mean. The spacing between the tank rims are kind of awkward, and trying to be extra careful in the sump area.

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Some recent shots in the Misc album I just took to explain what I meant about the little bit of space on each side, and the space between the hood and the top of the back wall with the filtration slits is the other thing I was concerned about. Just so worried one with get caught in the filtration.

I was looking through Lowe's tonight for some sort of lights for the inside to hang on the back flip lid. I have an old roll of some sort of blue lights my husband got a few years ago, but their not too bright I don't think. I may go back and look for something with a shorter string of lights on it, but brighter white. Too bad X-mas is over, bet they would have had same rope in white. :frown:

I was looking for a red light, but not sure if I can find red Bulbs in the style of bulbs for my Biocube.

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I may check tomorrow for lights at my LFS I need more RO/DI water for my top offs anyway. Can't wait for income tax. I'm so buying one. Tired of driving an hour to go pick some up. Then driving an hour back. Just wish they weren't so expensive, or at least filters lasting longer.
 

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I kept them for a long time and would always be amazed at how many were left when I thought they were all eaten when they would all rise from the sand.

A DSB is NOT a good idea for an octo tank. It can be beneficial if you have it in a sump or pass water over it in its own bucket but the idea of a deep sand bed is to leave it undisturbed to create bacteria that is poisonous but will consume nitrates. It needs an oxygen free environment so you can't disturb the bed and that does not work in an octo tank. My personal preference is an inch to an inch and a half along the viewable area and none under or behind the LR. In our Nano, I still get heavy gray waste because the things have bottom circulation in this tank is awful (the few residence I keep in it survive well but I am constantly cleaning the sand).

All the mercs I have had avoided the sand and chose dens in the rock. If you will put a cluster of giant purple barnacles (be sure you get untreated clusters) about 2" off the substrate floor you may find the merc will choose it for a den and be more visible than otherwise. I have had good luck with this method and have been able to watch them more often than most keepers. Sleazy, my last merc never came out of her den but was always visible and would hand feed daily.

A 1 - 1.5" sand bed is suitable for most octopuses we keep. The ones that will den on the floor of the aquarium will, indeed, move the sand but this is to remove it from the den. Brooding females are particularly noted for not wanting sand in the nursery. I suspect this is to minimize critters that eat eggs but I have not read a reason for the action. There are species that live in the sand but they are not common in the trade or are animals that we would prefer not to see captured for the casual hobbiest.
 


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Just so I can start poking around, where do you suggest finding a decent Merc seller? I was looking at a few sights, but their never guaranteed. I don't want to accidently get a Briareus or a Vulgaris. I'm not gonna know how to tell the difference right away. Been finding some photos and saving them to my pc of what each looks like.

How long do you think I'll be ready with the 29 for a Merc? Tank has cycled for a year minimum. Had corals in there till this week. Removed everything except the huge LR piece in the center. I wanted to keep it in there, for the Merc as there is a cavern in the left front piece that my 6 line wrasse has been sleeping in. He vanished one night, and freaked me out, so I dug out the flash light and went crazy and there he was.

There is also a tunnel like entrance in and out the back of this piece of rock. One of the most unique pieces I ever saw. Only downfall is the Xenia at the top that is growing like weeds. I don't know how to remove them and put them in the other tank. I have tons more LR in my other tank, but their just stackable flat pieces. This one would be perfect except for the weeds. I may just have to say ho hum, and give it a good brushing. Can't keep much corals with a Octo anyway right?

Removing the Bioballs tomorrow. Will prob use some more of those ceramic tubes. I plan on rinsing them every 2 weeks in saltwater. I also have these small pebble type rocks in a small filter type bag that a friend gave me, and he said they work great. I may just try those.
 

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Lmecher your making me so anxious to get one! That is a beautiful shot!

I can't wait to take photos of mine without spooking. Just starting in learning how to take photos. I have an Olympus E-600 I specifically bought just to take photos of my tanks. lol Still trying to figure out how to take photos of my Ocellaris Clownfish. He's too quick. But my female Maroon is a ham for the camera. She comes right up along side at night, and just wiggles and smiles. She's so cute.
 

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DEFINITELY KEEP THE LR. It is your primary biological filter. The barnacles look ideal but you can even go with a small cluster with shells about the size of the smallest in that group (say three or four of different sizes but at least one small one). You can also break up a larger set if needed (they don't break like you want them to though) but the larger cluster can be placed directly on the substrate floor where a small cluster needs to be set firmly into the live rock.

You can also keep the xenia with the octo. Most mushrooms, leathers and gorgonia are fine. I usually have a feather duster or two and have found a set of polyps that don't make the octos react. Anything fancier that that though and you are likely to create an uncomfortable if not deadly environment with a small tank (and I avoid much else even in the larger ones). For clean up crew, I like serpent stars, brittle stars (about 1 per 20 gallons of water) and snails (hermits work to but I find it best to keep one or the other and not both or the hermits will kill the snails).

My best thought on octoproofing the tank after looking at your photos is to attach 2 - 3" wide acrylic under the lid lip. The lip is very narrow but you might get away with using automotive trim tape (drain the tank down like for a water change and get the underside TOTALLY dry before trying the tape). It does not need to be thick, it just needs to keep the octo from climbing up the sides and out. If the lip is too narrow for this then bending pieces of acrylic to create a 90 degree L and attaching to the outer wall with either tape or silicone would produce the same effect. I would not worry much about the overflow grid. If you can get lighting back there, it will also disuade it from going over the top into the sump. Mercs are listed as one of the higher escaping octos but this had not been my experience but you do need to keep them from crawling up and over.

There is no such thing as a guarantee on species. Tom is pretty good at knowing a merc from a briareus and most of the people that find them in the live rock have had dwarfs but species is always a challenge (now you know why I have multiple octo tanks :biggrin2:)
 

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I remember! The MTS Mult-Tank Syndrome! :smile:

Going to think and ponder over it with my husband about the Acrylic idea. Sounds Challanging, but at the same Brilliant!

Do you have any suggestions for the Red lights? Didn't see any at Lowe's tonight that would fit that hood.

I think for the back I'm gonna find some white lights like the blue ones I found and try those.

Gonna check around for some more Barnacle's before I decide which.

The Ocotpus is gonna have a Trump Plaza by the time I'm done. lol
 
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