Mystery thing

Clem

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Fujisawas Sake said:
It looks keratinous, almost like... Well, like the tomium (beak) of a turtle. Noting the size, it would have to be a sea turtle. It also looks somewhat vascularized. Without actually getting my hands on it, I would have to say a sea turtle.

You say the Mediterranean? Hmm... Green turtles Chelonia mydas nest in the Azores, and make their way into the Mediterranean a lot.
Hello All,

The link below has a photo of a Green turtle skull (a replica) with its beak attached. The mystery thingy looks a bit more narrow and pointed...do young Green turkles have more aggressive beak profiles than mature tutles?

http://www.azdrybones.com/testudines.htm

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Clem said:
The mystery thingy looks a bit more narrow and pointed...do young Green turkles have more aggressive beak profiles than mature tutles?

Clem,

Yes they do. Along with some other features that are designed to make them less palatable to larger animals. As far as the bird theory goes, my wife took a look at the beak thing and said that she didn't think it was a beak due to the fact that bird beaks are the result of a fusion of three bones, and this thing doesn't show signs of that process.

Could also be a tortoise as well, but just looks a bit big.

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WhiteKiboko said:
Steve O'Shea said:
Well, we've got Pisces, Aves and ?Turtese .....

Turtese? Testudo maybe?

Are you talking about the Linnaen system?
Turtles count as Class Reptilia, Order Chelonia.

Oh, and I think that its not puffer fish due to the size and general shape of puffer jaws.

Oh, wait... hello.... What about the Hawksbill Eretomchelys imbricata? The beak fits the profile, though I'm not sure if you find them in that region....

Any news Steve? I would check with a local herp expert if I were you.

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Are we sure they're aquatic or marine in origin? Lots of weird stuff washes down rivers, especially if they run through farmland.
My first thought on this is that it looks very hooflike; I did some checking around and the vascularization seen distally in many hooves (like the second one on this page at horseshoes.com) does look similar.
See attached (also courtesy of horseshoes.com); the 'toe' of the hoof (which may often become overgrown and clawlike if not trimmed or worn away through regular activity) has the right cavity shape when you remove the coffin bone / distal phalanx.

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.... this is getting mighty confusing; some rather good cases have been made for turtles, fish and horses ... can we possibly get a few more pics onlihne to sorth this out?
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Kat,

The hoof idea is good, but the curvature and apparent "sharpness" of the "beak" don't seem to match any hoofed mammal with which I am aware. Is the beak sharp, or worn down?

I'm still going to say turtle unless I get my hands on a similar specimen. Maybe I can sweet-talk a hepetologist at school to give me more info.

Sushi and Sake,

John
 

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