[Octopus]: Intro Casper - O. vulgaris

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D you would def be the first!!! I dont know if you remember but this is not my first Vulgaris. My first ever octo was a vulgaris 15 or so years ago. I took the time to read all your posts about little bit and love it. When you were talking about color changes i remember how mine "No name, had one but cant remember" would change from very white to dark brown to red by the kind of mood he was in. Seemed red was mad of aggresive, white was hiding and brown was all is well. When I had no name cell phones and common dig cameras where not so common so i dont have any pics. He was in a 75 and could reach end to end.
Funny thing, Casper is in a 8g bio cube with an open top!! With a Merc I was not scarred of escape. With the vulgaris I am moving him to a much more secured tank. I will say its been 45 days and no sign of wanting to get out or even go into the other chambers. I will take many photos and log a lot.
 

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After Margay, I beg you to get his tank covered. His was but the tops were not latched. I had kept at least half a dozen others in that tank without latching the top. I am still depressed over his death.
 

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I will. Not worth taking any chances. I do remember having to pick no name up off the floor a couple times. He was my first octo ever. He liked to sneak out during cleanings. He was also very strong. Almost freakish strong. If he grabbed me it was very hard to pull away. At the time I just stopped touching him. Now I know so much more and am very excited about the coming year. Something I found odd about little bit was the life span. Makes me wonder if there was something wrong with her. I know they dont live long at all but at the size you got LB I would have thought you would get 16-18 months. Unless I am wrong with thinking Vulgaris normally live somewhere around 2 years birth to death.
 

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We think about 18 months is normal but there is a wide variation even in siblings with all species. LittleBit laid eggs (infertile) so her death was predictable. We don't know enough about life spans or what initiates egg creation to make a good guess on timing but she was unusually small for her species. You also have to remember that they spend at least 1 month as pelagic free swimming creatures so Casper is already several months old.

She was also aggressive and I avoided a lot of contact once she transferred to the larger tank. Later, I felt that she just played rough and might have learned to be more gentle if I had handled her more. After she died I wondered if her aggressiveness may have been a desire to have physical contact.
 

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You know I agree. I think they like contact. I play with him/her a lot. Looking close at Casper I don't see the 3rd arm being protected so now I am thinking female. I will post a bunch more pics tonight and maybe you can tell me. Thank you for all the help with all my octos. The 90g is the same one I used for Tranny.
 

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So I want to ask. I have a 93g cube and the 90 I had Tranny in. With this octo would you think it would be better to use a cube or the normal 4' tank. I also have a 6' 125 in storage that I could set up. Any of these are options because I have cycled rock, filters, skimmers Ect all ready running so almost no cycle time. So what tank would be best? I want to make Casper as happy as possible
Also at this size if Casper bit me is there any real concern? I ask because I want to handle him more. As most octos go he wants to pull my hand to his mouth and I wont let him. If I let him is there much to be concerned about. As a transmission builder my hands are very beat up and lots of cuts but not to worried about any real pain. I know they have a bit of poison but I think the amount changes with species. I could be very wrong about this and have not taken the time to look it up yet. I just want to let him get more comfortable with me. I used to play tag with tranny all the time but he didn't want to pull me to his mouth much. Casper does.
 

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I would think the longer tank vs the square to allow a little swimming room. The 125 is probably ideal. Look over @Lmecher 's thread for el Diablo.

I can't advise on the touch with an aggressive animal (because what I might try and what is smart may not be the same). I never let an octo bring my hand to its mouth as being bitten (even if it is experimental and no venom is injected) is a likely outcome. Most will get it and stop insisting. I think I gave up too soon with LittleBit. We don't have a vulgaris bite story yet so how strong or how long lasting the venom is not here in writing (and I don't know of another site where you might find that kind of info). Most octo bites that break the skin have left swelling (check the bites thread for numbness and duration for some of the other species) and that might not be the best for your work. I would definitely keep some Benadryl and antibiotic cream on hand if you experiment (and ask you to report, regardless of the outcome :cephdevil:). The couple of times I have been nipped have been from senescent octos I was holding that did not want to be put back onto the live rock (soft hand better than bristle worm rocks I suspect). I have yet to have a skin break (I thought a merc drew a tiny drop of blood once but I think it was a spec of Cyclop-eeze :oops:).
 

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Thanks D. After I posted that I went and looked at the "bite thread" If I experiment with it I will let you know. I feel the same that a square tank is not as good as a long tank but wanted to ask
 

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