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Apr 6, 2003
Colin said:
Yeah, Greg, the kids that i have spoke to over the years have a great general knowledge about animals and their plights.. its the adults that scare me! :smile:

To reinforce that point, here's a Cambodian boy with his best friend.



TONMO Supporter
Nov 14, 2002
very nice T

Thought i was in for a half engulfed boy before i opened it LOL


TONMO Supporter
Nov 19, 2002
Ha ha!

And I thought Disney was the source of nightmares in children! :lol:


May 5, 2003
Serious point, no rubbish, just contributing to thread.

If an animal bites or is aggressive or poisonous or otherwise dangerous, other than their behaviour when observed from a distance, what is honestly the point.
Not trying to stir up aggressive responses to my humble opinion I believe most can trace their current interest in a fairly steroetypical way. They will from an early age show an interest in keeping one sort of animal or another. This interest will be encouraged or otherwise until at some stage they are able to indulge their interest and start keeping animals of whatever sort they are keen on. When they have developed further it is clear that the ordinary types cease to be as interesting and so the more extraordinary species are sought to reflect that persons level of knowledge and experience. Utimately that means that someone keeping snakes, say, may graduate from non venemous to venemous or large constrictors or breeding rare species etc. At that stage the person will strongly defend their position as one of serious study which is almost certainly true but the steps that brought them there are based on a need for more interesting, unusual subjects. I would say that part of the fun of 'harmless' species of snake and or octopus and or any other species is the ability to interact with them. Simply watching them may be interesting but you can do that with harmless and dangerous alike. I keep crocodiles and have a DWA license. To be honest I find my dog more interesting than these animals. (PLease don't reply with: 'then you shouldn't keep them then', I'm trying to make a point!) I can play with my dog (its not a rottweiller or a pit bull), I can spend quality time etc. My crocodiles just try to bite me. When I handle them I 'gear' up to do so. Other than that they are extremely boring. Of course other people are amazed and fascinated by these animals. And that is my point. The most interesting thing that happens with my crocs is when someone comes to see. I can look at myself and be this honest. It is important to understand that. Honestly, those of you who have a Blue Ringed Octopus. How many times do you show a visitor your blue ringed octopus and not tell them its very poisonous. "Yes I keep dangerous animals because they are dangerous and I am interested in them because of that" is a much more honest claim than to suggest, as previously in this thread, that 'poisonous snakes exhibit much more interesting behaviour than non poisonous species' Thats just bizarre. A Dangerous Wild Animal licence licences people to keep dangerous wild animals. Blue ringed octopus are dangerous wild animals. Large constrictors are dangerous wild animals. Lets encourage rather than attempt to moderate the controls being suggested. Serious enthusiasts will always remain serious. All these new controls would mean is that the idiots are removed which is a boon for us all.


Mar 19, 2003
Dangerous Creatures

Many years ago someone said people are the biggest danger.

Unfortunately that is still true!
SARS may be the killer but you (now) catch it from - people!
PEOPLE are the almost universal common factor in any dangerous situation -- either causing it or drawing others into it.
The problem is that we need to interact with our environment to live, we live in world community, and the other people are pursuing their own objectives. At last we can SEE that our environment is finite.

Did you learn to ride a bicycle and never fall off? Think of the dangers without the objectives and we would never do anything!
Would you choose to live in padded cell, drip-fed for life?

Interests help us to learn (see post about ling-cod and GPOs) and to some extent we must take risks in order to have fulfilled lives.

The British child-safety legislation frightens me in that it reinforces the view that all strangers are dangerous. (Fact - You are more likely to be murdered by someone you know than by a stranger).
When we get to know someone we therefore change from a harmless stranger to a dangerous aquaintance! True of animals too!
(Reminds me of the golden (50 year) wedding anniversary question:--
Did you never think of divorce in all that time?
Answer:-- Divorce - never, murder more often!)

We need objects of curiosity, and sometimes it helps if they are more real than a television screen.What really frightens me is when fiction becomes more real to people than reality is (Soaps, etc.). Life is stranger than fiction, and I enjoy its curiosities.


TONMO Supporter
Mar 15, 2003
Hey kapoc, where exactly is that Ivory Tower you live in? You can't make sweeping statements, especially geared as if you were speaking of a lower class of people...it just doesn't hold true!
I have a friend who studies crocodilians, and he is fascinated by them...instead of whining about them, he actually gets so wound up talking about them and their eccentricities that he gets the people around fascinated as well...Steve Irwin does this perfectly on his show, and by being enthusiastic, he has introduced the concept of finding these animals interesting to a whole new wide world audience, whether he is talking about a red sided garter snake or a black mamba. All animals, even blue rings, are fascinating in their own right.
Just my opinion.


Staff member
May 30, 2000
Would you choose to live in padded cell, drip-fed for life?
What flavor? :biggrin2:

There is a very pertinent thread here --


I agree with others that it's way over-simplifying things to suggest that the only reason someone would own a blue ring is because it's dangerous. Obviously all species are unique by definition. I personally wouldn't venture to suggest that no one would ever have a justified reason for owning a blue ring.

That said, there are others here who are strongly against the keeping of blue rings, for several valid reasons. So far, for me at least, this is an ongoing discussion without a conclusion.

The status as I see it is this: if you're thinking about owning a blue ring (for whatever reason), you should read and understand all of the caveats that have been published to date. Many of them can be found via links in the thread referenced above. There are many excellent alternatives to owning such a dangerous animal, and such options should be strongly considered.

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