Help Getting a Bimac

Spence24

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I am cycling my tank right now, and in a week my order of 100 pounds of lr will be here:smile: so sometime late February, i will be in need of a bimac, any idea of anyone who has them available or a website that is likely to send bimacs or similar species?

thanks, ryan
 

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i manage a LFS, and i can get them from distributors, however, most LFS's wont get them in, or from a less than par distributor....
in my case, i have 3 diiferent distributors that i trust, so that is where i would start..... as far as no LFS in area worth trusting situation (just in case) im sure someone on here has a better idea
 

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What distributors do you have that list them, and have you received any to confirm that they are, in fact, O. bimaculoides? Bimacs are illegal to collect for resale, so I suspect your sources are either selling octos other than bimacs or are collecting on their own and illegally (which I doubt). There's precedent for retailers falsely selling Indonesian and Caribbean octos as bimacs. When Octopets was in business they were distributing, so it may be that your distributor lists them but is forever out of stock.

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Well, I had no idea that they were illegal to distribute, but I would still really love to have one as a new addition to my family. If anyone knows a good source or there's somebody on here, I would love to hear.


thanks, ryan
 

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Spence,
It is not illegal to keep and raise the Bimac but the aquisition is a bit sticky. As I understand it, wild caught Bimacs (not taken from restricted areas) in CA can be kept (for pets or food) by the properly permitted "fisherman" but cannot be sold. If the WC animal then has tank raised young, the young become legal (as well as any tank bred young) to sell. I believe the restriction is a California law but do not know if it applies elsewhere (or where else the Bimacs may be found in the wild). Some of our California members are likely to have a clearer definition of the rule and will hopefully correct or add to my limited understanding.
 

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Yes yes, I knew they weren't illegal to own, i just didn't know they were illegal resale. Well either way, i can't get a positive i.d. of one anywhere. I've heard fish supply, but I don't know if they ever have any in (octopets??) it says wild cut???
 

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Octopets was a breeder/distributor of bimacs for resale. Most unfortunately, the business failed well over a year ago but many resellers fail to update their lists when a supplier vanishes. MarineDepotLive occassionally offers them but there is some question as to which bimac (there are two similar species) they offer. Watching the TONMO availability thread is usually the best way of knowing when a site publishes availability. You can set your email options to receive posting notices to threads where you participate.
 

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The restriction I know of is California law; I don't know if Mexico has any restrictions, so it's possible legit wild caught bimacs could be obtained from there, but I don't know one way or the other (and also if it's OK to bring live animals from Mexico across the border).
 

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wow... didnt know that... thankfully its just on the lists as " Tank Raised Octopus " but they are bimacs for sure..... not too sure of where they were aquired and if they were already gravid or how they aquired a pregnant female or if they had some breed..... ill look into it though...
thanks for the heads up on legality
 

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Most of the bimacs that TONMO members have kept recently are captive-bred or tank-raised by fellow hobbyists. This is legal, since the animal taken from the wild isn't sold. A few companies have tried to do this for a profit; all have failed. Ultimately the market for these creatures is so small and uneven that I don't know if it is even possible to succeed at captive breeding for profit. Given this, I'm very skeptical of any claim by retailers or distributors (profit people) of having bimacs. Indeed it is always possible that a distributor ends up with a bimac that just happens to lay eggs, but I think this is unlikely for a few reasons: first, the vast majority of marine ornamentals are being collected in the South Pacific and shipped into California. Overall, temperate species found off California aren't in heavy demand and I suspect it's rare for animals of any type to be collected here for the hobby. California also isn't known to be the most permissive state to those whose intention it is to pluck from Nature. Baby octopuses are also very difficult to raise, they do best when given individual dens and fed live food like mysids ($$$). I doubt a distributor would bother, given the meager hopes for recouping any investment.

Given that, I know that Marine Depot sometimes has bimacs in, but in personal correspondence with them they're not afraid to give the impression that the animals are sickly, often missing arms. I don't know where they get them from, but I have not ordered from them so I cannot even confirm that they are, indeed bimacs. This brings me to another important point: it's very difficult--sometimes even for zoologists--to identify an octopus. Even when a hobbyist submits a photo of their beloved octo here on the forums they often don't get a good consensus. It is not realistic to expect distributors or retailers to know what type of octopus they're selling. The goal of these organizations is to move livestock and we can't expect them to have specialists in every niche organism. Most retail website images aren't of the octopus sold, rather just a generic picture taken off the internet (some of these people probably aren't aware there are multiple species of octopus!).

This is why I generally try to get cephs from fellow hobbyists. It is the only good way to get an animal whose identity, natural habitat and age you can be sure of. The problem with doing this is there isn't any guarantee of availability. This is not a hobby for the impatient, it will probably take months or years to find the species you're looking for.

Dan
 

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