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Found a 2-spot Octo in tidepools today; question

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My first thought is how long did you acclimate? I would have dripped him for a good 2 hours before introducing him into the tank especially if the tank temps and quality of water were that different. Normally, I drip for at least an hour and this is with a captive bred animal. What are your water parameters?
 
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i was told by coast guard and lifeguard guys on the beach near the tidepools that you dont need a license to take inverts, only fish...and even with fish you dont need a license for fish if you're on most SoCal piers. however, there are size guidelines to adhere to.

to the 2-spot octo from the tidepool: i dripped about 1/2 cup of my aquarium water over the course of 3 hours since i work from home and have the time.

then i slowly put him in the aquarium. he looks better now and is moving around quite a bit. his arms aren't as droopy.

my water parameters are perfect - virtually 0 nitrate, 0 ammonia and perfect pH i achieve w/buffer. i do 2 water changes per week since octos produce so much waste.

i still like this 2-spot much better than the common browns who hide all the time.

one question though: i snagged a bunch of shore crabs as that's what Cabrillo Aquarium suggested for a 2-spot, but what is the best way to keep them?

i saw Cabrillo Aquarium had 2 crabs submerged in the octo's tank, but i've had a few die when they're all the way in the water. better to leave them in a bucket with little water, rocks and some seaweed? thanks for all your input, i'm gonna get video up really soon of this guy...
 

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socal_saltwater;88928 said:
i was told by coast guard and lifeguard guys on the beach near the tidepools that you dont need a license to take inverts, only fish...and even with fish you dont need a license for fish if you're on most SoCal piers. however, there are size guidelines to adhere to.

Just for the record, to keep anyone else reading this thread from getting in trouble, I asked the California Fish & Game folks about this last year, and was told that Bimacs (both species) could not be collected for sale, but could be taken with a sport fishing license. Although it sounds like your local coastguard and lifeguard folks don't know this, if someone is caught by a game warden, I'm not sure "but the lifeguard said it was OK" would get them off the hook. I'm pretty sure you won't get in trouble for your new octo, but I wanted to make sure not to leave this thread giving the wrong impression, since I'm worried some future TONMO reader will get arrested or fined or something.

Roy, since I'm sure you deal with this all the time, perhaps you can provide more details about what permits are required and how one might obtain them? Or are academic/research collection permits all you've dealt with? Thanks!

I'm glad to hear that the octo's looking happier, too, of course!
 

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socal_saltwater;88534 said:
i was uncovering rocks in a dirty part of Redondo Beach, CA tidepools when i was surprised to find a CA 2-spot octopus. Body was about the size of a lemon, tentacles maybe 5-6 inches long (though i suck at estimating).

the color blew me away. i have a common brown octo which changes colors but always brown/yellowish/dark brown. This 2-spot octo today was speckled with blue and green and had a nice pink shade on the underside.

a few things to note: i read on here how water parameters have to be impeccable to keep octos, but i'm assuming for tropical ones? because this one today was in REALLY dirty water! 10 feet away was some sort of white film over it, and there was everything from bras to coke cans in this water.

my main question is, if one was to take one of these home to save the $30 at a LFS (and for a nicer color), how strong of a chiller would you need? CA waters are usually low 60s, however octos are in shallow water which is a bit warmer, no?

unfortunately my 1/15 HP nano chiller only goes down to 73, otherwise i could have a free supply of GORGEOUS octos. i can't get over how colorful it was - much more than the brown ones LFS's sell!



Joe13830- That might be a blue ringed octopus ! Ohhh nooo ! Stay away from those if you get bit the local pet store told me you only have about 10 minutes to live ! :-(
 
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Joe13830;88936 said:
Joe13830- That might be a blue ringed octopus ! Ohhh nooo ! Stay away from those if you get bit the local pet store told me you only have about 10 minutes to live ! :-(

:welcome: Good thing he is in California then... Blue ringed octopus live near Australia and Japan. I think he is safe, although a bite from any octopus can be painful.

Check out this link for more information.

http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=403
 
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You will definitely need a permit to collect crabs though! Either a collecting permit or a sports fishing license and if Fish and Game catches you - the fact that you didn't know you needed a permit won't get you far...

Also, you need to be mindful that you are not in a marine reserve, you cannot collect in a marine reserve, no matter what kind of permit you have... I think you are ok in Redondo Beach. Cabrillo Beach is a marine reserve, as is most of Palos Verdes peninsula.

See this link for locations of marine reserves in California.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/mlpa/maps.html
 

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Joe13830;88936 said:
Joe13830- That might be a blue ringed octopus ! Ohhh nooo ! Stay away from those if you get bit the local pet store told me you only have about 10 minutes to live ! :-(

If it's a blue ring, it's pretty far out of its element... they're only found around Australia, Indonesia, and the West Pacific, not over here in California. (Although Norman lists an undescribed species around Southern Japan)
 
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um...NOT a blue-ring, i'm still alive 3 days after playing with 2 different octos in the tidepools.

you need a permit to collect crabs??? as kids we took them in california all the time, no one cares.

i dont feel bad because the waters here are SOOOO dirty - mostly from mexico dumping its crap (literally) into our ocean, thus polluting the coastline. i bet my new octo will be much happier and more active than in the water i found him in, which included a white film, coke bottles and other garbage! marine preserve? preserved with garbage !

what a shame. not to get political, but i wish our "leaders" would spend more $$$ on our own country like our beautiful coastlines instead of spending it on other countries (i.e. iraq).
 

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