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tonmo said:
I don't disagree, but I should say that I agree with my wife's assessment that the Disney intepretation of the Pooh characters represent the best group of friends out of any children's characters anywhere, period. I can't think of any other children's program where friendships between the characters are so strong.
Hi Tony --

I can understand that, especially if one sees the cartoons before reading the books. In that context, the Disney version is certainly a positive and pleasant one.

However, I read WINNIE-THE-POOH and HOUSE AT POOH CORNER for the first time as an adult, before seeing the Disney cartoons. In fact, my first experience with the books was reading them aloud to my (then) toddler squidling at bedtime, one chapter per night. So in effect, he and I were reading them, and looking at the charming pictures, together. We were enchanted by them, and I suppose seeing the cartoon interpretation was a bit of a comedown, by contrast, for both of us.

Later on, BTW, I read two marvelous books about Pooh written for adults: THE TAO OF POOH and THE TE OF PIGLET, both by Benjamin Hoff. Hoff relates the Milne books and their characters to Taoist thought (similar to Zen), demonstrating Milne's philosophical depth while at the same time retaining his playful, whimsical style -- rather like STAR WARS' "Yoda". :yinyang: The Hoff books are absolutely wonderful for grown-ups who are also big kids at heart (like Yours Truly), but to derive the full benefit of them, it's best to read the original Milne books first.
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Speaking of Pooh and Disney lawsuits, there was one not to long ago where Milne's family sued claiming Disney didn't have rights for merchandizing, etc., etc. Their victory in court would theoretically translate to the tearing down of any Pooh likenesses at Disney World, etc. etc. etc. Not sure where that one left off... Clem? :smile:
Hmmm, that's a tough call. I'd like to hear the status of that one too. While I still contend that the Milne version is the best, I'd hate to see kids deprived of Pooh in any form. I know that there are still kids' products and clothes called "Classic Pooh", which use images from the books' original artwork rather than from the Disney version. I'd like to think there is enough room in the world for two Poohs.

(Notice how I carefully avoided the temptation to say "Chacun à son Pooh"? :P )

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And, BTW, don't you feel that this is pertinent discussion? This particular forum is one of my personal favorites, because I've always been fascinated by the entertainment industry's interpretations of octopuses, for children and adults alike. Therefore, any analysis of Disney (either its characters or the corporation itself) is quite welcome and enlightening in my book, especially in the context of this Finding Nemo release. 8)
Thanks for the imprimatur (or would that be nihil obstat?), Tony :wink: I figure as long as Disney makes the occasional aquatic film, they're OK in this were-squid's book.

Looking forward to FINDING NEMO,
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I love animation but this will be hard for me to keep on topic. Tani, I agree that Disney heroines are historically unspectacular, but they go along a progression from really passive - Sleeping Beauty is ASLEEP! So is Snow White. - to less and less passive, with The Little Mermaid's Ariel even becoming disobedient. The villains, not the heroines, intrigue me more. Wouldn't you rather wear Maleficent's horns and cape in Sleeping Beauty? Ursula the Octopus in The Little Mermaid brings us back to cephalopods.

Someone at Disney, possibly Eisner himself, made a non-discrimination policy including gays and lesbians, so Disney is not in good graces with the religious right. I'd make the same choice, I'd rather go to a disco than a church picnic myself.

Are there any cephs in the old Warner Bros. cartoons? I don't recall any, much as I adore Michigan J. Frog, he's no squid.

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Melissa said:
Are there any cephs in the old Warner Bros. cartoons? I don't recall any, much as I adore Michigan J. Frog, he's no squid.
Good question! Have a look at the TONMO.com email Newsletter issue 99, item number two. Tiny print, but it answers your question... not sure of any others...

Actually, item number one there is pertinent to this discussion as well.
 

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there was that evil octo in the hanna barbara cartoons, but i cant seem to remember his name.....
 
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Melissa said:
I love animation but this will be hard for me to keep on topic. Tani, I agree that Disney heroines are historically unspectacular, but they go along a progression from really passive - Sleeping Beauty is ASLEEP! So is Snow White. - to less and less passive, with The Little Mermaid's Ariel even becoming disobedient. The villains, not the heroines, intrigue me more. Wouldn't you rather wear Maleficent's horns and cape in Sleeping Beauty? Ursula the Octopus in The Little Mermaid brings us back to cephalopods.
That is true, about the increasing "liberation" of the Disney heroines. Personally, I identify the most with Belle -- I saw the film with a friend when our sons were little, and when the Beast brought Belle into his incredibly huge personal library, my friend leaned over to me and whispered, "Hey, that's your fantasy, isn't it?"

Of course, Esmeralda (THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME) and Mulan were also fighters who could kick butt with the best of them.

Maleficent had a great wardrobe but was otherwise a standard Disney villain. Ursula, on the other hand, was great! Her song, "Poor Unfortunate Souls", was one of the best I've heard in a Disney 'toon. And of course she was the only "mer-ceph" in the history of filmdom until DAGON's Priestess Uxia came along.

Melissa said:
Someone at Disney, possibly Eisner himself, made a non-discrimination policy including gays and lesbians....
About time they moved into the 21st Century!

Melissa said:
Are there any cephs in the old Warner Bros. cartoons? I don't recall any, much as I adore Michigan J. Frog, he's no squid.
But I've yet to see a Messie do a better rendition of "Hello My Baby" :wink:
 
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Tani,

"Spirited Away", or as I saw it "Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi" (yeah, "Spirited Away" is a heck of a lot easier on a marquee!) is a masterpiece. Disney has an active contract with Studio Ghibli to bring a few films to the U.S., and I hope that they take full advantage of it. As a big anime fan (note my avatar), I have seen cephs in a lot of Japanese pop culture. I hope to get photos and things to post, but all in due time. If ayone wants a good anime list, its probably my collection...

"Finding Nemo" is technologically brilliant. They have actually captured the look of water with CGI. That's brilliant work, up there with Squaresoft's "The Animatrix: Final Flight of the Osiris"

Sushi and sake, but hold the Tako-yaki

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Off of the animation a bit, but in the same area: Nemo seems to be causing a bit of an odd turn in the aquarium stores here...(there was a thread last week in the same vein) all of the stores are stocking up on clownfish and pufferfish, and running specials on 30 long salt setups...so, here is a film about the evils of fishcollection, and all of these people are going to rush out and buy fishtanks. Hmmm. Do you want to bet how many of the kids name their little perculas "nemo" ???? It's going to be as bad as when captive bred burmese pythons hit it big out here...every single one was named "monty", followed by a chuckle and the comment "isn't that cool?" Yikes. Oh well. I am sure that in two months, I will be able to buy a lot of "used" setups for a song, after the dads get tired of doing water changes! Hopefully, some of the kids will actually get into keeping and learning about sealife...hey, maybe some future TONMO members!
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Greg,

That's both a good and bad thing... Salt water aquarium keeping is hard work, and most parents will flip out rather than buy a kid clown fish. I just hope it doesn't lead to the "dalmation rush" (people started buying dalmations by the boatload when Disney released "101 Dalmations") style of pet buying and neglect you tend to see here in the States when a new animal movie comes out.

Then again, some kids may have the knack... We'll see, won't we?

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Dalmations! Hah! A friend of mine owns a reptile store here in town, and actually started selling a speckled variety of kingsnake as "dalmation" kings 'cause so many people wanted anything with the name dalmation for their kids as pets...trust me, we are going to see quite a few perculas or ocellaris clowns at the stores for a while now...hopefully, some good will come of it...I guess my fascination with fish started at an early age at a pet store too!
We should all pray. To Cthulhu, of course. :notworth:
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