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what is your opinion?
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Looking to buy a cephalopod? Check out Tomh's Cephs Forum, and this post in particular shares important info about our policies as it relates to responsible ceph-keeping.
BIO-BALLS
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wouldn't touch them......just nasty!, I'd rather use crushed marine shells as a bacterial substrate
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yeh i got that going too
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I just don't think bio balls do a good enough job.
I visited a marine farm in the Hawkes Bay (North Island ) a while back (OK 3 or 4 years ago!) and they had a filtration tower filled with them. You could SMELL it about a Km away (fortunately no neighbours
) They were farming Seahorses, Packhorse Crayfish and Kingfish. The Crays and the Kingies were doing OK but the Horses kept coming down with bubble disease. From the smell their nitrates etc were WAY off. (& no they didn't test it!).
It's under new management now (funnily enough the previous owners ran out of money!!) I have a friend who works there and he tells me they've got rid of the bio balls and the animals are doing much better. In fact I've seen captive bred Horses from that farm for sale in aquarium stores.
Cheers
J
I visited a marine farm in the Hawkes Bay (North Island ) a while back (OK 3 or 4 years ago!) and they had a filtration tower filled with them. You could SMELL it about a Km away (fortunately no neighbours
) They were farming Seahorses, Packhorse Crayfish and Kingfish. The Crays and the Kingies were doing OK but the Horses kept coming down with bubble disease. From the smell their nitrates etc were WAY off. (& no they didn't test it!). It's under new management now (funnily enough the previous owners ran out of money!!) I have a friend who works there and he tells me they've got rid of the bio balls and the animals are doing much better. In fact I've seen captive bred Horses from that farm for sale in aquarium stores.
Cheers
J
other side of the coin
I think they are great. I have used them for years and still do.
If not set up right or properly maintained then they can we a waste of space.
They have a huge surface area for colonies of aerobic bacteria to set up shop but it realy is all in the way the water is passed over the balls.
If care is not spent on ensuring that the water passing over the balls is well filtered mechanically then they will soon get clogged and get smelly. So always use a really good pre filter or micron bag. I use the latter.
Also you must ensure an even covering of water flows over them, I always use rotating spray bars.
This bioball tower is about five feet tall and has a rotating bar. Also Around the inside of the tower are shelves to stop the water running right down the tower, it pushes the water back onto the balls.
I think they are great. I have used them for years and still do.
If not set up right or properly maintained then they can we a waste of space.
They have a huge surface area for colonies of aerobic bacteria to set up shop but it realy is all in the way the water is passed over the balls.
If care is not spent on ensuring that the water passing over the balls is well filtered mechanically then they will soon get clogged and get smelly. So always use a really good pre filter or micron bag. I use the latter.
Also you must ensure an even covering of water flows over them, I always use rotating spray bars.
This bioball tower is about five feet tall and has a rotating bar. Also Around the inside of the tower are shelves to stop the water running right down the tower, it pushes the water back onto the balls.
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Alright Colin
How often do you clean and maintenance that???
How often do you clean and maintenance that???
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brilliant!!! ya cant argue with that mate!!!
Maybe you can clarify somethin here for me......
an octo produces loads of waste.. what is this waste??? messy eaters (left over food) and poo (but you can pick most of the messy food up hopefully) and their poo (but people say this you cant see, its a bit crystally lookin (is this some kinda chemical??) it doesnt sound threatenin
Are we sayin they are large producers of phosphates or what??
Cheers just makin sure im combating the right thing
Cheers
Maybe you can clarify somethin here for me......
an octo produces loads of waste.. what is this waste??? messy eaters (left over food) and poo (but you can pick most of the messy food up hopefully) and their poo (but people say this you cant see, its a bit crystally lookin (is this some kinda chemical??) it doesnt sound threatenin
Are we sayin they are large producers of phosphates or what??
Cheers just makin sure im combating the right thing
Cheers
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Scouse said:
You can see ours! Its like a long sticky streamer kinda pinkish in colour and it sticks to EVERYTHING!
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cthulhu77 said:
now you've put me off cotton candy for life J
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Jean said:
J
Sorry...NO idea why I was laughing..
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so what ja reckon??? Are we sayin they are large producers of phosphates or what??
cheers
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Scouse said:
so what ja reckon??? Are we sayin they are large producers of phosphates or what??
cheers
Yup and nitrates too!
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Jean said:
Jean, I have a question about this. I don't have bioballs in my system, but I would like to clear this up because it demonstrates that my understanding of the nitrogen cycle isn't entirely correct.
Shouldn't the amount of nitrate generated be proportional to the amount of nitrogen waste excreted/decayed into the tank? If I had two identical tanks, one with bioballs and the other without, shouldn't the number of moles of nitrate created in a day be limited by the number of moles of nitrite created (limited, in turn, by the number of moles of ammonia?)
My conceptual model of the system is apparently lacking. The only explanation I can think of is that the bioballs encourage a growth of the nitrogen-consuming bacteria that is larger than the amount of nutrients available, thus continually blooming and dying and decomposing to end up with more nitrates.
Dan
